I have to say, I'm not sure I agree with this policy of banning people from posting on the lutelist. I know that some people engage in ad hominem arguing, name calling, insults etc., but it seems to me one can always use the delete button to eliminate postings one finds objectionable. I regard this as the price of freedom, and I value freedom. The lutelist has become noticeably less dynamic and, for me, less interesting since Danyel, Matanya, et.al have been eliminated from the list. Some dissonance is essential to give the music life. Too much consonance and things become watered down and static. When Charles Ives was writing his string quartets, he reportedly wrote little dialogues between the instruments in the margins of the manuscript, and, in one, he had one of the violins say to the other, "What's the matter, are you one of those white-livered weaklings who can't stand up and face a good dissonance like a man?" How many people have to be offended before someone gets banned from the list? It seems to me only two or three. I'm always startled by posters who refer to the lutelist as "my list" or "our list" as if this forum belonged to a select group of insiders whose job it is to police the list and make sure it conforms to the vision of this group of insiders. I think the list is more vibrant and robust when it's treated as a public forum in which "a hundred flowers bloom and a hundred thoughts contend." So I say buck up, keep the lutelist open and free and use the delete button if someone crosses the line.

Best to All,
Gary

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob MacKillop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lute List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:57 AM
Subject: [LUTE] The Online Lute Player


  Sorry this is so long...



  The recent Igor = The Devil thread has been gnawing away at me. He
  might have been clumsy in the way he expressed himself, but he was
  entitled to his view. However, he has highlighted the topic of the
  Online Lute Player, and what one might expect that to be, and that is
  what I would like to turn our attention to.



  In the days before YouTube, one would have expected a degree of
  professional standard from a recording artist (setting aside personal
  preference for one artist over another). Professional reviewers
  (rightly or wrongly) saw it as part of their job to inform their
  readers of who was hot and who was not, and why they thought so.
  YouTube has blown all that away. Someone who has just picked up his/her
  first guitar and decides to pluck it with a banana (not you, Val!), can
  reach an audience of thousands within days. You, the watcher-listener,
  have to make up your own mind whether something is 'good' or not. You
  can watch the video or not. I imagine Igor (and he is not alone) would
  like to see a return to a situation where one would expect a
  professional standard of performance and presentation. But that just
  isn't going to happen - well, I can't see any signs of it at the
  moment.



  David Taylor has raised two interesting points: 1. These videos give an
  insight into how the lute/guitar is actually played, and 2. the
  professionals are waiting until they can completely control the
  production process before submitting their 'performances' for public
  scrutiny (they can already do this, of course, if they have enough
  money or their record company are willing to pay for it).



  It would be wonderful if we could hear how the average lute player
  played in the 16th/17th centuries. We tend to assume that someone like
  Mary Burwel or Logy or some other high-profile amateur, would play well
  (within our present-day aesthetics). We have lute players today copying
  right-hand positions from paintings of amateurs who, for all we know,
  might have sounded terrible to their contemporaries. YT allows us to
  hear how (dare I say?) 'ordinary' people at the start of the 21st
  century played. That will be of use to future researchers, I'm sure.



  I consider myself as a semi-professional player. I have CD recordings
  and play concerts. Some years have been more busy than others, but I
  have never been in a position to make a living exclusively from lute
  playing. A few weeks ago the reality of who my audience is was brought
  home to me. I recorded the video of me playing the so-called
  archguitar. I did that early in the morning. I uploaded it, and then
  left the house to play a lunchtime concert in the local church in
  Edinburgh during the Edinburgh International Festival when the
  population of the city almost doubles. Bearing in mind that I have had
  three number one CDs in the Scottish classical charts, I might have
  been expected to get a decent-sized audience. There were six people.
  And that included my wife, daughter and the guy who opened the church
  doors. Three people paid - all pensioners, and therefore paid the lower
  rate - and two of them were blind. Why do I mention this? Well, their
  companion spent the entire time talking them through what I looked
  like, what the instrument looked like, what the church looked like,
  etc, etc - while I was playing. The point of all this? By the time I
  returned home, ninety minutes after leaving the house, the video had
  over 200 plays.



  Earlier this week, when I added up all my video plays from YT, Vimeo
  and my own web pages, I was surprised to learn I had over 16,000 plays
  in just a few months. How many concerts would I have to play to reach
  so many people? These figures are not special - many of our lute-video
  contributors could mention similar figures. There is no money in it, of
  course, but at least there is the satisfaction that someone somewhere
  is listening and hopefully enjoying the music.



  The downside? Even though the concert I played that lunchtime was on
  the face of it a negative experience, my wife and daughter stated that
  they had never heard me play so well. Why? I think there were two
  contributing factors - the acoustics were marvelous, and opened up for
  me subtleties in the music I never imagined were there - I was
  experiencing the music afresh, and that inspired me. And, there is a
  HUGE difference between playing to an audience, no matter how small,
  and playing to a camera.



  So, I for one will continue making mp3 files and videos, because I know
  there are people who get something positive out of it, and I will
  continue to try to play concerts even though I live in a country which
  has no interest whatsoever in Early Music.



  And I hope that my lute-playing colleagues do so too, no matter what
  their 'standard'. I am in their audience.



  Rob MacKillop

  [1]www.songoftherose.co.uk - free mp3 files and videos :-)



  PS I've just remembered...it is interesting to note the difference
  between my acoustic guitar audience and my Early Music audience: I have
  a 'donations' button on various pages. The Acoustic guitar pages
  (Scottish/Celtic stuff - some of it arrangements of Scottish lute
  pieces) has had enough hits to allow me to purchase an instrument. The
  Song of the Rose site - lute and baroque guitar - has raised only six
  pounds. Enough to buy two first strings. Don't worry, this is not a
  criticism, just a humorous observation :-)















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References

  1. http://www.songoftherose.co.uk/


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