Great advice, Dr. Jordan.  All things in moderation!

ed

At 03:42 PM 8/10/2011, theoj89...@aol.com wrote:
>Take great care with stretching exercises of the hand!! I deal 
>fairly often with musicians' injuries, and musicians are nearly as 
>bad as competitive athletes as far as abusing their bodies to try to 
>get better performance. Remember that Robert Schumann permanently 
>damaged his right hand trying to increase his performance by 
>stretching his fingers with some contraption.
>Slow and easy is generally the rule of thumb for stretching. Much 
>damage can be done by stretching too aggressively. Just a reminder....
>trj
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Edward Mast <nedma...@aol.com>
>To: Eugene Kurenko <eugene.kure...@gmail.com>
>Cc: LuteNet list <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 11:59 am
>Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance lute & string length
>
>
>Thank you Bruno and both Eugenes,
>
>      Paul O'Dette's comments are very interesting - I'll read the whole
>interview, Eugene.  ( I wonder what string length P O uses on his Renaissance
>lutes).  Yes, scale passages are not a problem with longer string 
>lengths, I'm
>sure.  I would expect the problems to be with fingered chords, 
>especially barred
>chords.
>      Your stretching exercises are impressive, E.K.  I can't 
> achieve that kind
>of stretch myself - with practice??  Certainly no problems for you 
>in performing
>the Dowland, at least using single stringing.
>
>-Ned
>On Aug 10, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Eugene Kurenko wrote:
>
> > From interview with Paul O'Dette:
> >
> > Q: Much lute music would seem to be played more easily on smaller 
> instruments
>than today's typical G lute, yet contemporary paintings don't show a
>preponderance of such small instruments. People living then certainly weren't
>bigger than us. Did they stretch more or perhaps weren't so attached to
>sustaining notes or am I missing something?
> >
> > A: This is a very interesting question which has many different aspects. I
>think early players developed more stretch than we do today, by 
>doing exercises
>to keep the skin in between the fingers as elastic as possible, they 
>also used
>various oils to keep the skin flexible, they developed stretching techniques
>which involved releasing the thumb from the back of the fingerboard, and also
>used the left hand thumb to play some bass notes. The string spacing of most
>Renaissance lutes is very tight at the nut, making the lateral 
>stretches easier
>than on today's wider spacing. The problem this creates, however, is 
>that it is
>more difficult to keep from brushing up against other strings with left hand
>fingers since the courses are closer together. This would suggest 
>three things
>to me: 1) That they had smaller, thinner fingers which required less 
>clearance,
>2) that they came straight down with the l.h. fingers using only the 
>tips of the
>fingers and 3) They were less fussy about li!
>  ttle noises and buzzes than we are today. I suspect that they also did not
>sustain bass notes to nearly the degree we do today.
> > -----------------------------------------------------
> > Thw whole interview can be found here:
> > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/PODinterview.html
> >
> > BTW I play now on lute with 67cm. Not easy but possible even with my smal
>hands. But I had to stretch my fingers like this:
> > http://pics.livejournal.com/_m_a_s_t_e_r_/pic/0009xtz8
> >
> > Here is my Dowland on 67cm:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2srIsT8xuE
> >
> > As you can see it's not perfect but quite satisfactory. The main 
> difficulties
>for me were from double courses. Especially in chords. There is no 
>significant
>difference for me in playing scale passages between 60cm and 67cm. 
>But in chords
>theese 7cm are very important. So I had to remove all that doubles 
>and now play
>on single courses.
> >
> > 2011/8/10 Edward Mast <nedma...@aol.com>
> > The more I read about the lute during the 16th century, the more 
> it seems to
>me that the norm for string length then was closer to 65 cm than the 
>60 cm which
>seems more favored and common today.  Are we (myself included) - who 
>choose the
>shorter mensur - wimps?  If classical guitarists of all shapes and sizes can
>manage a 64 cm mensur, should we lutenists not be able to do likewise?  Just
>wondering . . .
> > -Ned
> >
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