Dear Stuart, I'd argue that many of these are 'lutes', such as mandores, some gitterns, theorbos, chitarroni, archlutes, mandoras/gallichons, colasciones, mandolins/mandolas, etc. In short, instruments developed directly from the same general platonic 'lute' form.
The big difference, and obvious to all, is between the waisted guitar family and the lute family. And so we come full circle..... Martyn --- On Wed, 17/10/12, WALSH STUART <[email protected]> wrote: From: WALSH STUART <[email protected]> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone To: "Monica Hall" <[email protected]> Cc: "Lutelist" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 21:38 mandolins in many different forms, mandores, gitterns, some English guitars, mandora/gallichons, colascione, some 18th century French cistres, (further afield: things like Ukrainian torban, lute shaped hurdy-gurdies) Stuart On 17 October 2012 21:05, Monica Hall <[1][1][email protected]> wrote: Such as ? ............. Monica ----- Original Message ----- From: [2]WALSH STUART To: [3]Monica Hall Cc: [4]Lutelist Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone Other instruments than lutes have 'lute-shaped' bodies... Stuart On 17 October 2012 20:29, Monica Hall <[5][2][email protected]> wrote: Well - what is the difference between a lute and a gittern/mandore. When is a lute not a lute? Chitarrone as I understand it is a large member of the lute family i.e. it has a lute shaped body. It depends what you mean by separate traditions....... Monica...getting more confused by the minute. Diego, unfortunately I cannot read Italian. Are you in agreement with Meucci? Monica, the only things I know about Meucci's article are from you. As I understand it, Meucci isn't saying that the chitarrone is a large lute. The lute has its own, separate, traditions. The chitarrone (he is saying, I think) is a large (massive!) gittern (or gittern/mandore). Stuart On 17 October 2012 18:34, Diego Cantalupi <[1][6][3][email protected]> wrote: If you can read Italian, you can find my dissertation about Chitarrone here: [2][7][4]http://www.diegocantalupi.it/tesi.pdf The first chapter is about ethimology. Diego > To get on or off this list see list information at [3][8][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[9][6][email protected] 2. [10][7]http://www.diegocantalupi.it/tesi.pdf 3. [11][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[9][email protected] 2. mailto:[10][email protected] 3. mailto:[11][email protected] 4. mailto:[12][email protected] 5. mailto:[13][email protected] 6. mailto:[14][email protected] 7. [15]http://www.diegocantalupi.it/tesi.pdf 8. [16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. mailto:[17][email protected] 10. [18]http://www.diegocantalupi.it/tesi.pdf 11. [19]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 2. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 3. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 4. http://www.diegocantalupi.it/tesi.pdf 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 7. http://www.diegocantalupi.it/tesi.pdf 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 10. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 11. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 12. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 13. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 14. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 15. http://www.diegocantalupi.it/tesi.pdf 16. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 17. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 18. http://www.diegocantalupi.it/tesi.pdf 19. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
