Nobody has yet mentioned the colascione, nor the bandurria and the vandola.

Presumably they qualify for inclusion.

I'm not sure whether it is helpful to go further afield. Let's stick to the 16th and 17th centuries.

Monica
----- Original Message ----- From: "WALSH STUART" <[email protected]>
To: "Monica Hall" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Lutelist" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:38 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone


  mandolins in many different forms, mandores, gitterns, some English
  guitars, mandora/gallichons, colascione, some 18th century French
  cistres, (further afield: things like Ukrainian torban, lute shaped
  hurdy-gurdies)
  Stuart

  On 17 October 2012 21:05, Monica Hall <[1][email protected]> wrote:

  Such as ?   .............

  Monica

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  From: [2]WALSH STUART

  To: [3]Monica Hall

  Cc: [4]Lutelist

  Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:56 PM

  Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone

    Other instruments than lutes have 'lute-shaped' bodies...
    Stuart

  On 17 October 2012 20:29, Monica Hall <[5][email protected]> wrote:

    Well - what is the difference between a lute and a gittern/mandore.
      When is a lute not a lute? Chitarrone as I understand it is a
    large member of the lute family i.e. it has a lute shaped body.   It
    depends what you mean by separate traditions.......
    Monica...getting more confused by the minute.

      Diego, unfortunately I cannot read Italian. Are you in agreement
    with
      Meucci?
      Monica, the only things I know about Meucci's article are from
    you. As
      I understand it, Meucci isn't saying that the chitarrone is a
    large
      lute. The lute has its own, separate,  traditions. The chitarrone
    (he
      is saying, I think) is a large (massive!) gittern (or
    gittern/mandore).
      Stuart
      On 17 October 2012 18:34, Diego Cantalupi <[1][6][email protected]>
    wrote:
        If you can read Italian, you can find my dissertation about
        Chitarrone here:
        [2][7]http://www.diegocantalupi.it/tesi.pdf
        The first chapter is about ethimology.
        Diego
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