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From: Sam Chapman <[1][email protected]>
Date: 2 December 2012 00:38
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Lute bass strings - was Re: Are Pistoys prone
to rot according to Mace?
To: Markus Lutz <[2][email protected]>
About string holes: I generally use Stoppani plain gut basses at high
tension (c. 3.5kg) on all my lutes - sometimes I cut the string down to
size to get it through the hole. Even reducing the width of the string
by half puts it in no danger of breaking when tuned up to whatever bass
note it should be at. The cut portion of the string passes through the
hole and in no way affects the vibrating length of the string. I'm very
happy with the sound and don't find it any duller than that the loaded
strings I've tried.
All the best,
Sam
On 30 November 2012 12:12, Markus Lutz <[3][email protected]> wrote:
Am 29.11.2012 16:10, schrieb R. Mattes:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:04:48 +0100, Markus Lutz wrote
Hi Shaun, Hi Martyn,
unfortunately I cannot say too much on this topic, at least for the
17th century.
[...]
Another important source, though late, on all topics of life is
Kruenitz, Oeconomische Encyclopaedie. Probably it also depends on
the
encyclopedy of Diderot and on other encyclopedys, for sure at least
some things will have been copied.
It has 242 volumes and describes many things very detailed.
He has big articles on the lute and on strings
Kruenitz,
Artikel Laute (lute, vol. 66, p. 380ff, 1795)
But this is rather late as a source for information on 17th century
lute practice (or even for the first half of the 18th century).
There have been two changes in lute building during that time:
first, the extension of the bass range by adding a second pegbox
(swank neck lutes) and then the change to bass rider style lutes
during the 18th century (the later could well be a in response
to a wider availability of overspun bass strings).
Yes, this is pretty late - as I said, an I never claimed anything on
the use of overspun strings in the 17th century.
And I don't know, when they were used first, but I would guess at
least in the end of the 17th and beginning of the 18th century.
But anyway these encyclopedies reflect the things that had been
there for many years.
If you look at the article on lutes you will see that it consist of
different sources, some still have the renaissance tuning/stringing
in mind and others that describe the baroque lute.
In this article Baron is cited quite extensive, and also they used
the articles of Luise Gottsched in Gottscheds "Handlexicon oder
Kurzgefasstes Woerterbuch der schoenen Wissenschaften und freyen
Kuenste"
We cannot at all compare an encyclopedy of that time with our time
(or wikipedia). Changes then had been much slower and they are more
a summing up and mixing old and new things.
But this article says nothing on the first use of overspun strings.
BTW:
The development of the extended bass range indeed is vice versa at
least in "Germany".
First there had been lutes with bass riders (ca. 1719), afterwards
the 13-course lutes had been theorbified (around 1730).
Although there had been other theorbified lutes up to the late 17th
century, the theorbifying of the baroque lute had been ascribed to
Silvius Leopold Weiss, who probably first combined this with a
13-course lute.
Best regards
Markus
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