There's already been discussion with Anthony about the likely
instrument. I doubt a mandora since it was hardly, if at all, known in
Italy at this time. However I agree with you about the use of sharp
keys in this source and I suggested an instrument in the old tuning but
with the highest course at a nominal a'.
I understand he was intending to transcribe the music into tablature
but have no idea of what he has actually done, though I presume he
would not use the DM lute tuning.....
MH
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From: Stephan Olbertz <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, 14 April 2014, 8:35
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute sonatas of Antonino Reggio
Ralf,
judged by the score of vol 1, the music would go up to the 17th fret on
an instrument in A. Examples of lute music in octave transposing clefs
are too many to cite here. I too thought of mandolin music, but the
tuning wouldn't seem to fit. As becomes clear from many chords of up to
five notes, the best tuning would be a mandora in E, especially since
sonata IV requires a third and sixth course "in effetto maggiore",
which means F sharp, judged by the music. A lute tuning in E would
already have that F sharp.
Maybe Anthony has a discussion of the possible instrumentation
somewhere?
>> as the lute sound was understood mainly as a 16'-register in the
>> 18th century, it is maybe not that much of a problem.
>
> Which 18th century source does state this explicitly?
None. That's my conclusion based on the surviving evidence.
Regards
Stephan
Am 13.04.2014, 23:09 Uhr, schrieb R. Mattes <[1][email protected]>:
> On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 22:16:16 +0200, Stephan Olbertz wrote
>> Dear Christopher,
>>
>> I was a bit hasty, I'm afraid, and didn't look closely enough to
>> Anthony's sample, assuming it was all simple octaving basses. I
>> purchased a pdf and found several instances where indeed the lute
>> bass has a different, lower note than the violoncello.
>
> Only commenting the sample page: nowhere does the "liuto"-Bass play
> below the notated bass voice. Unless you follow the theory that the
> "liuto" voice is notated an ovtave higher than intended. But why
would
> one notate in the highest available key while much better fitting
clefs
> where widely in use (the combination F bass clef and C soprano clef,
> pretty much the standard combination for keyboard music for quite
some
> time in the 18th century, works extremly well for lute music).
> And let's not forget the possibility of an archiliuto tuned in A.
That
> would put the highest note of the minue on the 11th fret. Not too
> different from the demands of late german lute music.
> My first impression was actually: this looks and sound like music for
> mandolin or some similar (plectrum played) instrument ...
>
>
>> Now, as
>> Daniel remarked, this actually seems strange. But on the other hand,
>> as the lute sound was understood mainly as a 16'-register in the
>> 18th century, it is maybe not that much of a problem.
>
> Which 18th century source does state this explicitly?
>
> Cheers, Ralf Mattes
>
>
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