Yes - this suits a lute in the old tuning with highest course at g'. In
fact as Dalla Casa's instrument which also has music in the octave
transposing treble clef.
MH
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To: Stephan Olbertz <[email protected]>; "[email protected]"
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Sent: Monday, 14 April 2014, 13:49
Subject: Re : [LUTE] Re: Lute sonatas of Antonino Reggio
as an example for archlute part
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En date de : Lun 14.4.14, Martyn Hodgson <[2][email protected]>
a ecrit :
Objet: [LUTE] Re: Lute sonatas of Antonino Reggio
A: "Stephan Olbertz" <[3][email protected]>,
"[4][email protected]" <[5][email protected]>
Date: Lundi 14 avril 2014, 11h34
There's already
been discussion with Anthony about the likely
instrument. I doubt a mandora since it was
hardly, if at all, known in
Italy at this time. However I agree with
you about the use of sharp
keys in this source and I suggested an
instrument in the old tuning but
with the highest course at a nominal
a'.
I understand he was intending to
transcribe the music into tablature
but have no idea of what he has actually
done, though I presume he
would not use the DM lute tuning.....
MH
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From: Stephan Olbertz <[6][email protected]>
To: "[7][email protected]"
<[8][email protected]>
Sent: Monday, 14 April 2014, 8:35
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute sonatas of
Antonino Reggio
Ralf,
judged by the score of vol 1, the music
would go up to the 17th fret on
an instrument in A. Examples of lute music
in octave transposing clefs
are too many to cite here. I too thought
of mandolin music, but the
tuning wouldn't seem to fit. As becomes
clear from many chords of up to
five notes, the best tuning would be a
mandora in E, especially since
sonata IV requires a third and sixth
course "in effetto maggiore",
which means F sharp, judged by the music.
A lute tuning in E would
already have that F sharp.
Maybe Anthony has a discussion of the
possible instrumentation
somewhere?
>> as the lute sound was understood
mainly as a 16'-register in the
>> 18th century, it is maybe not
that much of a problem.
>
> Which 18th century source does state
this explicitly?
None. That's my conclusion based on the
surviving evidence.
Regards
Stephan
Am 13.04.2014, 23:09 Uhr, schrieb R.
Mattes <[1][9][email protected]>:
> On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 22:16:16 +0200,
Stephan Olbertz wrote
>> Dear Christopher,
>>
>> I was a bit hasty, I'm afraid,
and didn't look closely enough to
>> Anthony's sample, assuming it was
all simple octaving basses. I
>> purchased a pdf and found several
instances where indeed the lute
>> bass has a different, lower note
than the violoncello.
>
> Only commenting the sample page:
nowhere does the "liuto"-Bass play
> below the notated bass voice. Unless
you follow the theory that the
> "liuto" voice is notated an ovtave
higher than intended. But why
would
> one notate in the highest available
key while much better fitting
clefs
> where widely in use (the combination
F bass clef and C soprano clef,
> pretty much the standard combination
for keyboard music for quite
some
> time in the 18th century, works
extremly well for lute music).
> And let's not forget the possibility
of an archiliuto tuned in A.
That
> would put the highest note of the
minue on the 11th fret. Not too
> different from the demands of late
german lute music.
> My first impression was actually:
this looks and sound like music for
> mandolin or some similar (plectrum
played) instrument ...
>
>
>> Now, as
>> Daniel remarked, this actually
seems strange. But on the other hand,
>> as the lute sound was understood
mainly as a 16'-register in the
>> 18th century, it is maybe not
that much of a problem.
>
> Which 18th century source does state
this explicitly?
>
> Cheers, Ralf Mattes
>
>
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