For the benefit of those who may have joined the list within the past couple of years, and missed the wonderful video on United Airlines, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo

I've never flown with my lute; not sure if I would without a massively armored case.


On 8/5/2016 1:35 PM, John Mardinly wrote:
    Martin;

    In the US, the Department of Transportation has enacted
    rule DOT-OST-2014-0231-0001  which requires airlines to allow musical
    instruments in overhead bins if there is room. That is,

    the instruments must be allowed on board, and if there is room in the
    overhead bins the instrument can go in there, and CANNOT

    be removed to make room for suitcases. it is "first come, first
    served",

    but if there is no room, the instrument must be checked or the owner
    can opt to re-schedule the flight. Purchasing some sort of "early

    boarding" is advised for travelers with instruments.

    Is there something similar in Europe?

    A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
    Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer
    EMail: [1][email protected]
    Cell: [2]408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM labs)
    But don't call the lab....I won't be there!

    On Aug 4, 2016, at 10:17 AM, Martin Shepherd <[3][email protected]>
    wrote:

    This was before 2011, so I just took it as hand luggage.  Those were
    the days....
    I do recommend Corsica, though, having been there several times in
    about 2003-7.  It's one of the few places I know where you can be
    sitting on a beach or at a harbourside restaurant in a temperature of
    about 30 degrees, and looking at a mountain top with snow on it.
    M
    On 04/08/2016 19:02, John Mardinly wrote:

         Martin;
         Your remark about vacationing in Corsica with your lute caught my
         attention. Did you fly? If so, how were you able to travel with
      your
         lute without risking its destruction at the hands of baggage
      handlers?
         Thanks.
         A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
         Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer
         EMail: [1][4][email protected]
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         But don't call the lab....I won't be there!
         On Aug 4, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Martin Shepherd
      <[3][5][email protected]>
         wrote:
         Dear Martyn (and All),
         I'm not ruling out the possibility of loaded strings, but I do
      think
         the evidence from bridge holes is mixed, in the sense that we
      would
         have to be absolutely certain that a bridge with small holes was
         original.
         Even with modern gut strings it's possible to string a 6c lute
      with
         only plain gut (well, high twist or whatever) in the bass and
      also a
         13c swan neck lute!  The difficult cases are the 8 to 10 course
      lutes,
         the 13c bass rider type, also the liuto attiorbato, for all of
      which
         loaded basses might well be the answer.
         I can't send attachments to the list but I'm sending you another
         painting from 1576 which shows strings very clearly and they're
         remarkably thin.
         Best wishes,
         Martin
         On 04/08/2016 14:55, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
              Hello Martin,
              Nice site and blog.
              I seem to recall that when loaded strings first came out (25
      yrs
           ago?)
              that some of the evidence for their use was found in the
      small
           diameter
              holes in some lute bridges. To maintain string tensions at
      around
              present day levels the hypothesis was therefore that the old
      bass
              strings would have been dense than plain gut - hence
      'loaded'.
              I also recall that somebody (might have been Eph Segerman)
      at the
           time
              also pointed out an alternative for such relatively small
           diameter
              holes: that the tensions of the bass strings might be much
      lower
           than
              the upper courses. In short just as you're suggesting. My
           experience of
              doing this at the time was that one needed to play very
      close to
           the
              bridge to gain any projection and, of course, this is
      precisely
           what
              most old sources (from c.1600 onwards) tell us. So you may
      be
           right -
              that basses were often(always?) at a significantly lower
      tension
           than
              the upper courses.
              Having said this, I did like Mimmo's loaded strings very
      much
           and, of
              course, they also possibly indicate loading because of their
              distinctive colour. All food for thought......
              regards,
              Martyn
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