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What Mersenne says: has anybody ever tried Mersenne stringing?
Le Jeudi 4 août 2016 17h50, Martin Shepherd <[email protected]> a
écrit :
Dear Martyn (and All),
I'm not ruling out the possibility of loaded strings, but I do think the
evidence from bridge holes is mixed, in the sense that we would have to
be absolutely certain that a bridge with small holes was original.
Even with modern gut strings it's possible to string a 6c lute with only
plain gut (well, high twist or whatever) in the bass and also a 13c swan
neck lute! The difficult cases are the 8 to 10 course lutes, the 13c
bass rider type, also the liuto attiorbato, for all of which loaded
basses might well be the answer.
I can't send attachments to the list but I'm sending you another
painting from 1576 which shows strings very clearly and they're
remarkably thin.
Best wishes,
Martin
On 04/08/2016 14:55, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
>Â Â Hello Martin,
>Â Â Nice site and blog.
>Â Â I seem to recall that when loaded strings first came out (25 yrs ago?)
>Â Â that some of the evidence for their use was found in the small diameter
>Â Â holes in some lute bridges. To maintain string tensions at around
>Â Â present day levels the hypothesis was therefore that the old bass
>Â Â strings would have been dense than plain gut - hence 'loaded'.
>Â Â I also recall that somebody (might have been Eph Segerman) at the time
>Â Â also pointed out an alternative for such relatively small diameter
>Â Â holes: that the tensions of the bass strings might be much lower than
>Â Â the upper courses. In short just as you're suggesting. My experience of
>Â Â doing this at the time was that one needed to play very close to the
>Â Â bridge to gain any projection and, of course, this is precisely what
>Â Â most old sources (from c.1600 onwards) tell us. So you may be right -
>Â Â that basses were often(always?) at a significantly lower tension than
>Â Â the upper courses.
>Â Â Having said this, I did like Mimmo's loaded strings very much and, of
>Â Â course, they also possibly indicate loading because of their
>Â Â distinctive colour. All food for thought......
>Â Â regards,
>Â Â Martyn
>Â Â Â __________________________________________________________________
>
>Â Â From: Martin Shepherd <[email protected]>
>Â Â To: Lute List <[email protected]>
>Â Â Sent: Thursday, 4 August 2016, 12:51
>Â Â Subject: [LUTE] blog post
>Â Â Hi All,
>Â Â Just to let you know that I have put up a new blog post - let me know
>Â Â your thoughts.
>Â Â [1]http://luteshop.co.uk/some-thoughts-on-string-tension/
>Â Â Best wishes,
>Â Â Martin
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13c swan <br clear="none">neck lute! The difficult cases are the 8 to 10
course lutes, the 13c <br clear="none">bass rider type, also the liuto
attiorbato, for all of which loaded <br clear="none">basses might well be the
answer.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I can't send attachments to the list
but I'm sending you another <br clear="none">painting from 1576 which shows
strings very clearly and they're <br clear="none">remarkably thin.<br
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also pointed out an alternative for such relatively small diameter<br
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Mimmo's loaded strings very much and, of<br clear="none">>
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