You can see this as tablature at 
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tablature.cgi?drafts/rainer.pdf 
<http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tablature.cgi?drafts/rainer.pdf> if 
you can stand the ugly font.

 Wayne

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Rainer <[email protected]>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: tone colour echo
> Date: January 30, 2018 at 8:53:19 AM EST
> To: Lute net <[email protected]>
> 
> You seem to have completely misunderstood me.
> I mean the same notes in the same octave.
> 
> Attachments are not allowed here. Therefore I am sending the tab source for 
> the version from Marsh.
> Save it and open with Fronimo or compile with tab.
> 
> Note: the lute font looks ugly but I cannot send the font I created for tab.
> 
> Rainer
> 
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> {/}
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> 
> 
> 
> On 30.01.2018 14:22, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
>> If what you describe is what I think it is, then I love tone color echoes!
>> Check out:
>> Milán Fantasia 35 - m. 125-130
>> and from Siena folio 21
>> m. 40-44
>> I have seen this in many other pieces, when I find some I'll post it here.
>> Am 30.01.2018 um 11:42 schrieb Rainer:
>>> Dear lute netters,
>>> 
>>> I may have posted this may years ago already - I don't remember.
>>> 
>>> In the duet treble "Sellinger's Round" (Marsh, p. 182 and Dd.3.18, f. 5r) 
>>> there is a tone colour echo in bars 57 and 58 - the same notes on different 
>>> courses.
>>> 
>>> I wonder if anybody knows of any other such echo in Renaissance lute music.
>>> 
>>> By the way, it is tempting to play a similar echo on bars 53 and 54.
>>> 
>>> Rainer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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