[LUTE] Re: tone colour echo

[Dan Winheld]

SO glad to hear that someone else has discovered this wonderful bizarre 
masterpiece by Marco... I have been studying and practicing it for about 
a year, almost memorized. It is the ultimate "Recercar/fantasia senza il 
canto" ever written; surpassing all other pieces of this tiny subgenre; 
generated of course by the unfortunate frequency of chantarelle 
disintegration- usually mid-performance, esp. in the pre-nylon string days.

I highly recommend it; especially as a study piece. It's probably a 
lousy recital/concert piece unless you are playing for a small group of 
lute nerds. And, most importantly; if you try to play it on a lute with 
unison basses it will sound like crap. Really! A high quality 6 (or 7) 
course, and the 8ves MUST include courses 4 and 5 as well as the other 
basses- and this piece really pops! Actual gut helps too, we want crisp 
enunciation of the notes as you fret up to 7 & 8 frets on the bass  
courses.

The only other piece of music in any category that I have heard that 
starts on the lowest bass notes and stays there for so long is Gorecki's 
Symphony #3 "Sorrowful Songs" -utterly different mood, though. Marco's 
is very upbeat, almost humorous.

Giacomo Gorzanis is another lute composer/player who repeated phrases 
changing only courses and positions for tone color reasons.

Dan

On 1/30/2018 8:27 AM, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
Ms. 266 has a really crazy Aquila ricercar, No 25 (f. 24v), which 
starts at the lowest course and goes up to 7/h. It's also a senza 
canto ricercar.
Has anyone played this beast?...



Am 30.01.2018 um 16:46 schrieb Wolfgang Wiehe:
    a nice example for tone colour (echo) in higher register is:
    Che debo far che me consegli amore
    BSB Mus. ms. 267 No. 32
    (Marco dall Aquila?)
    greetings
    Wolfgang

http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00032067/images/index.h
tml?id=00032067&seite=79&fip=193.174.98.30&nativeno=%2F&groesser=150%25

    p.s. I made a transcription in french Tab some years ago, if some 
one
    is interested




    Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. Januar 2018 um 15:46 Uhr
    Von: "Joachim Lüdtke" <jo.lued...@t-online.de>
    An: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
    Betreff: [LUTE] Re: tone colour echo
    Nor do I, but Brown records two later editions. It may be 
interesting
    (at least for someone who is fascinated by the music and the 
history of
    its editions) to compare the texts. Years ago I copied the piece 
from
    the CNRS edition, which should be based on the earliest known
    publication, that is on 1554[6]. If I wasn't out of my mind while
    copying the music, there are several measures where you would 
have to
    pick the final note in cadences from the octave string of the third
    course. Later I saw the piece in one of the later prints, and all 
this
    fine play with octave strings and resulting sonorities, which to me
    seemed so perfectly matched the way De Rippe intavolated the 
echos of
    the chanson, was edited out ... I have however never investigated 
much
    time into this, and it may even be that the piece is full of 
errors in
    1554[6] or the copy the CNRS editors where working from, and that 
all
    ideas of mine about fine play, octave strings and sonorities are
    nonsense ...
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    Betreff: [LUTE] Re: tone colour echo
    Datum: 2018-01-30T14:00:09+0100
    Von: "Rainer" <rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
    An: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
    Looks like I don't have that book (Brown 1554[6]) - 
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
    Rainer
    On 30.01.2018 11:58, Joachim Lüdtke wrote:
    > Dear Rainer,
    >
    > De Rippe's intavolation of Gentian's "Dieu qui conduit" 
("L'Eccho").
    >
    > Best
    >
    > Joachim
    >
    >
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    > Betreff: [LUTE] tone colour echo
    > Datum: 2018-01-30T11:45:30+0100
    > Von: "Rainer" <rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
    > An: "Lute net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
    >
    > Dear lute netters,
    >
    > I may have posted this may years ago already - I don't remember.
    >
    > In the duet treble "Sellinger's Round" (Marsh, p. 182 and 
Dd.3.18, f.
    5r) there is a tone colour echo in bars 57 and 58 - the same 
notes on
    different courses.
    >
    > I wonder if anybody knows of any other such echo in Renaissance 
lute
    music.
    >
    > By the way, it is tempting to play a similar echo on bars 53 
and 54.
    >
    > Rainer
    >
    >
    >
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