So what is the difference to what I meant, other than that there are
more notes shifted to a different course?
It is clearly the same effect - same notes on different courses, albeit
a little smaller in size?
how is this not a tone colour echo?
r___a|r____|__f_d
d___c|d___f|h___f
_____|d_f_h|i____
a____|a____|a____
__c_a|____a|_____
_____|_____|_____
By the way, this exact question, though in a broader sense, was posted
by yours truly a few days ago, but crickets. :)
Am 30.01.2018 um 16:12 schrieb Rainer:
Yes, it's in 1562[10] and - yes - there are tone colour echoes.
This is remarkable since it requires to go up to "l" (at least) on the
second course or lower courses.
Very interesting.
Rainer
On 30.01.2018 15:46, Joachim Lüdtke wrote:
Nor do I, but Brown records two later editions. It may be interesting
(at least for someone who is fascinated by the music and the history
of its editions) to compare the texts. Years ago I copied the piece
from the CNRS edition, which should be based on the earliest known
publication, that is on 1554[6]. If I wasn't out of my mind while
copying the music, there are several measures where you would have to
pick the final note in cadences from the octave string of the third
course. Later I saw the piece in one of the later prints, and all this
fine play with octave strings and resulting sonorities, which to me
seemed so perfectly matched the way De Rippe intavolated the echos of
the chanson, was edited out ... I have however never investigated much
time into this, and it may even be that the piece is full of errors in
1554[6] or the copy the CNRS editors where working from, and that all
ideas of mine about fine play, octave strings and sonorities are
nonsense ...
Best
Joachim
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Betreff: [LUTE] Re: tone colour echo
Datum: 2018-01-30T14:00:09+0100
Von: "Rainer" <rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
An: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Looks like I don't have that book (Brown 1554[6]) - grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Rainer
On 30.01.2018 11:58, Joachim Lüdtke wrote:
Dear Rainer,
De Rippe's intavolation of Gentian's "Dieu qui conduit" ("L'Eccho").
Best
Joachim
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Betreff: [LUTE] tone colour echo
Datum: 2018-01-30T11:45:30+0100
Von: "Rainer" <rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
An: "Lute net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Dear lute netters,
I may have posted this may years ago already - I don't remember.
In the duet treble "Sellinger's Round" (Marsh, p. 182 and Dd.3.18, f.
5r) there is a tone colour echo in bars 57 and 58 - the same notes on
different courses.
I wonder if anybody knows of any other such echo in Renaissance lute
music.
By the way, it is tempting to play a similar echo on bars 53 and 54.
Rainer
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