Wayne,

please forgive me :)

Rainer

On 30.01.2018 15:51, wbc wrote:

You can see this as tablature at 
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tablature.cgi?drafts/rainer.pdf 
<http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tablature.cgi?drafts/rainer.pdf> if 
you can stand the ugly font.

  Wayne

Begin forwarded message:

From: Rainer <rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: tone colour echo
Date: January 30, 2018 at 8:53:19 AM EST
To: Lute net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>

You seem to have completely misunderstood me.
I mean the same notes in the same octave.

Attachments are not allowed here. Therefore I am sending the tab source for the 
version from Marsh.
Save it and open with Fronimo or compile with tab.

Note: the lute font looks ugly but I cannot send the font I created for tab.

Rainer

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xd
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b
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x f
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xa
2c
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x c
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xl
xk
1.l  a
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B

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e







On 30.01.2018 14:22, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
If what you describe is what I think it is, then I love tone color echoes!
Check out:
Milán Fantasia 35 - m. 125-130
and from Siena folio 21
m. 40-44
I have seen this in many other pieces, when I find some I'll post it here.
Am 30.01.2018 um 11:42 schrieb Rainer:
Dear lute netters,

I may have posted this may years ago already - I don't remember.

In the duet treble "Sellinger's Round" (Marsh, p. 182 and Dd.3.18, f. 5r) there 
is a tone colour echo in bars 57 and 58 - the same notes on different courses.

I wonder if anybody knows of any other such echo in Renaissance lute music.

By the way, it is tempting to play a similar echo on bars 53 and 54.

Rainer



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