This might help some poor soul looking for the tuning of the citara tiorbatta :

For the whole book, see:


On 02/02/2018 03:32 AM, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
I guess the instrument would have looked much different later,
I just remembered this peculiar instrument.
The bass cittern would then probably look like a big one with long extra neck for the bass strings?

Joachim's book lists the "Ceterone" with a picture, it has an extended theorbo neck.
It looks like it's this instrument:

Am 02.02.2018 um 03:34 schrieb Alain Veylit:
Thanks Tristan,

I had assumed a smaller instrument based on the fingerings... and the laws of physics... But the time frame would be a fit.

On 02/01/2018 02:22 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
Is this the prototype of the instrument?

Similar to a Bass Lute (I think it was a Dieffopruchar model...)
with long body before long necks were built?

Am 01.02.2018 um 20:09 schrieb Nancy Carlin:
Several years back there was an interview with Peter Forrester in the LSA Quarterly that included a picture of that type of cittern, which I believe is also called for in some Monteverdi. When I was studying musicology back c1970 I took a class on Montederdi and the professor had no idea what a theorbo really was and assumed that the theorboed cittern was just a mis-spelled chitarrone. I think Peter Forrester said in that article that he had built 2 of those theorboed citterns.
    Dear Alain,
    Perhaps Virgo is actually (Paolo) Virchi (1551 - 1610)?
    His father(?) was Giraolamo Virchi (or de Virchi) a maker of citterns
    From: Alain Veylit <[1]>
    Date: 28 January 2018 at 19:01
    Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]
    To: Lute List <[2]>
    Hi all,
    I revised a transcription I made some time ago of P.P. Melli's Balletto     del Ardito Gracioso (1616),  a suite for 9 instruments, including 3     (arch)lutes and a citara tiorbata "cordatura del Signor Virgo). I am
    still struggling with the tuning of that instrument which was
    apparently more a cittern than a guitar. The Signor Virgo is nowhere to
    be found on the Net, otherwise I would ask him about his tuning I
    guess, but given his elusiveness I am wondering if one of you may be     able to provide more information than I was able to gather already.     See: [3]http://fandango.musickshandmad     The instrumentation of that suite is definitely exotic : why would the     double-strung harp (alpa doppia) play the same notes as the viola (da
    gamba presumably)?
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