This might help some poor soul looking for the tuning of the citara
tiorbatta :
http://archiv.onb.ac.at:1801/webclient/StreamGate?folder_id=200&dvs=1517607578561~614
For the whole book, see: http://data.onb.ac.at/rec/AC09218505
Alain
On 02/02/2018 03:32 AM, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
I guess the instrument would have looked much different later,
I just remembered this peculiar instrument.
The bass cittern would then probably look like a big one with long
extra neck for the bass strings?
Joachim's book lists the "Ceterone" with a picture, it has an extended
theorbo neck.
It looks like it's this instrument:
http://www.cittern.theaterofmusic.com/new/img_banks/rb_ceterone_front.jpg
Am 02.02.2018 um 03:34 schrieb Alain Veylit:
Thanks Tristan,
I had assumed a smaller instrument based on the fingerings... and the
laws of physics... But the time frame would be a fit.
On 02/01/2018 02:22 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
Is this the prototype of the instrument?
Similar to a Bass Lute (I think it was a Dieffopruchar model...)
with long body before long necks were built?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYZzu_nzI9M
Am 01.02.2018 um 20:09 schrieb Nancy Carlin:
Several years back there was an interview with Peter Forrester in
the LSA Quarterly that included a picture of that type of cittern,
which I believe is also called for in some Monteverdi. When I was
studying musicology back c1970 I took a class on Montederdi and the
professor had no idea what a theorbo really was and assumed that
the theorboed cittern was just a mis-spelled chitarrone. I think
Peter Forrester said in that article that he had built 2 of those
theorboed citterns.
Nancy
Dear Alain,
Perhaps Virgo is actually (Paolo) Virchi (1551 - 1610)?
His father(?) was Giraolamo Virchi (or de Virchi) a maker of
citterns
Martyn
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From: Alain Veylit <[1]al...@musickshandmade.com>
Date: 28 January 2018 at 19:01
Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Citara tiorbata]
To: Lute List <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Hi all,
I revised a transcription I made some time ago of P.P. Melli's
Balletto
del Ardito Gracioso (1616), a suite for 9 instruments,
including 3
(arch)lutes and a citara tiorbata "cordatura del Signor
Virgo). I am
still struggling with the tuning of that instrument which was
apparently more a cittern than a guitar. The Signor Virgo is
nowhere to
be found on the Net, otherwise I would ask him about his tuning I
guess, but given his elusiveness I am wondering if one of you
may be
able to provide more information than I was able to gather
already.
See: [3]http://fandango.musickshandmad
e.com/collections/preview/185.
The instrumentation of that suite is definitely exotic : why
would the
double-strung harp (alpa doppia) play the same notes as the
viola (da
gamba presumably)?
Happy Sunday,
Alain
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