Erm... - yes, of course, I never meant to collect lutes for the wall. I do play them as I want to explore their respective repertoires. I don't suppose Ron wanted to cartoon non-playing collectors.
Ron's point seems to be valid, nevertheless. There should be affordable lutes for players-to-be as well as for professionals who, as is sadly well known, don't get paid wealth for their music making. The American, British, German lute societies offer lutes to be let (not sure about the Japanese, Belgian, Netherlands lute societies), and I support that. Mathias -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Some questions Datum: 2018-03-18T13:40:59+0100 Von: "Tristan von Neumann" <[email protected]> An: "lutelist Net" <[email protected]> Well, it is about the use of the word "collect" then. You just own six lutes. Also, you did not mention that you built most of them yourself. Am 18.03.2018 um 07:01 schrieb spiffys84121: > Hmm. I never thought I'd need to defend my status as a working lute > player because I have a 'collection' of six lutes (4 of which I built). > So- if i reduce the collection down to one single, silly seven course, > then I can be worthy? Yes folks- we're truly livin in the age of > trump(; > > Sterling > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Tristan von Neumann <[email protected]> > Date: 3/17/18 9:37 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: lutelist Net <[email protected]> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions > > Yes, but they are not "collecting" lutes I guess. They have them > because > they can play the music intended for it. > Lute collectors seem mostly wealthy amateurs :) > If I don't play an instrument enough, I give it away or sell it. > Am 17.03.2018 um 22:46 schrieb spiffys84121: > > Hmm. Are there -any- professional lute players that don't have > at > > least a few lutes? > > > > S > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Ron Andrico <[email protected]> > > Date: 3/17/18 6:36 AM (GMT-07:00) > > To: [email protected], Lutelist <[email protected]> > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions > > > > Tristan and Mathais, you have hit upon a very important point. > > While > > not as expensive as they should be relative to the demanding > > craftsmanship of construction, lutes are too costly for > professional > > musicians to *collect*. That is a major hurdle to getting > lutes > > into > > the hands of budding players, and the unfortunate dynamic > creates a > > *class* of lute players that might possibly exclude young > persons > > with > > both interest and potential. > > The Lute Society (UK) has had a lute hire program for many > years > > now, > > enabling interested persons to sample an instrument. The > American > > lute > > organization has recently implemented what they call a *lute > rental* > > program, an innovation I proposed to them in 2000. I wish > they > > would > > call it a *lute access* program, placing the emphasis on > getting > > their > > growing collection of instruments into the hands of potential > > lutenists, rather than the gory details of renting them. > > When it's possible for any interested person without the cost > > barrier, > > and only then, lutes will seem normal rather than unusual, and > the > > instrument will thrive in the future. > > RA > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on > > behalf > > of [email protected] <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:55 AM > > To: Lutelist > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions > > Funds may be the pivotal point. For my first ten years with > the > > lute > > I > > used to play just anything on my one and only 8c lute that > Larry > > Brown > > had built for Budget Instruments Ltd. By anything I mean > anything > > (Dowland, Bach, Schubert, Wandervogel lieder, Clapton). > > When funds started to come in, I afforded a swan neck. Then > I > > discovered that an 11 was needed because swan necks aren't > best > > for > > French Baroque. Then there was that short era of > transitional > > tunings, > > requiring a 12c double neck. Finally I realised that a > liuto > > attiorbato > > with single basses is not really the thing for Italian > arciliuto > > music > > which demands octave strings down to the 14th course. I > omit the > > serious reasoning for the chitarone and the angà ©lique. > > I could have done almost all of that music on my old 8c > lute, > > probably, > > which still is in good shape. Yet funds were available, and > so > > was > > my > > curiosity for new shores to explore. > > Mathias > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App > > --- Original-Nachricht --- > > Von: Tristan von Neumann > > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Some questions > > Datum: 17.03.2018, 8:16 Uhr > > An: lutelist Net > > Some people don't have the funds to "collect lutes" :) > > I'm quite happy with 7 courses - it's amazing how just one > extra > > course > > extends the repertoire well into the 17th century, if you > don't > > mind > > playing just the upper octaves. > > Am 17.03.2018 um 02:52 schrieb spiffys84121: > > > I will play any music on lutes, if it works for that > lute. I > > believe > > in > > > using the right tool for the job-- unlike guitarists and > > pianists > > who > > > endeavor to build the whole house with just a hammer. > > > > > > My question-- do most lute players only specialize in one > > repertoire? > > I > > > play any lute music from almost the entire history of the > > lute-- > > except > > > medieval. Of course this requires multiple lutes, which > I'm > > happy > > to > > > collect and play. I go through phases, like sometimes all > I > > want > > to > > do > > > is play six course music; then all of a sudden baroque > lute is > > all > > I > > > care about in life. Right now I'm obsessed with the liuto > > attiorbato > > > which I think is the most versatile of all lutes. If for > some > > reason > > I > > > had to have only one lute, it would be an attiorbato. One > can > > play > > > hundreds of years worth of music on it(in a pinch) I'm > working > > on > > my > > > version of 'Georga on my Mind' at present. My attiorbatos > have > > a > > range > > > of 5 octaves. > > > > > > Sterling > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > > From: Leonard Williams <[2][email protected]> > > > Date: 3/16/18 3:00 PM (GMT-07:00) > > > To: [3][email protected] > > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions > > > > > > I, myself, was attracted to the lute, via recorders and > other > > > early > > > instruments, because I like playing renaissance music. > What > > better > > > way > > > to enjoy it than on the instruments for which it was > written? > > If I > > > were an instructor, I would probably be more inclined to > teach > > > guitarists to read lute-tabbed recercari than to play > later > > music > > on > > > the lute. > > > Leonard > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mathias.Roesel <[4][email protected]> > > > To: [5][email protected] <[6][email protected]> > > > Sent: Fri, Mar 16, 2018 2:28 pm > > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions > > > Everybody is free to do with their lutes, or should be > so, what > > they > > > like best. > > > Gilbert's initial observation was, though, that some 90% > of > > this > > > tiny > > > community don't seem to be interested in newly composed > music > > for > > > the > > > lute. And I take it that he wasn't referring to the lute > > mailing > > > list > > > community exclusively, but to lute loving folks in > general. > > They're > > > fully entitled, aren't they, to not be interested. And I > hasten > > to > > > add > > > that I myself refuse to get involved in lute religious > > discussions > > > about whether or not lutes should be taken to play modern > > music. I > > > for > > > one prefer to pick up the guitar for such purposes. > > > Mathias > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App > > > --- Original-Nachricht --- > > > Von: Wayne > > > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Some questions > > > Datum: 16.03.2018, 18:01 Uhr > > > An: lute net > > > One thing that has not been mentioned is that we have > choices - > > we > > > all, > > > or most of us, or some of us, can choose to play a > certain part > > of > > > our > > > repertoire on our Les Paul/Marshall, or our classical > guitar, > > or > > our > > > romantic guitar, or our bandora, or ukulele or even > saxophone > > or > > > synth > > > in some cases. If we can choose to play Spanish music on > our > > vihuela > > > we > > > can choose to play Babbit on our (analogue tube) synth. > So > > maybe > > we > > > are > > > overlooking contemporary lute music because we tend to > pick up > > a > > > different instrument to play something modern. Especially > when > > we > > > need > > > to be as loud as everyone else. > > > Does anyone here not have or play any instrument at all > but the > > > lute? > > > Wayne > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > > From: WALSH STUART <[2][1][7][email protected]> > > > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions > > > > Date: March 16, 2018 at 12:26:07 PM EDT > > > > > > > > If it seems odd to want to play modern music on a lute > it is > > > surely > > > odder to only play a lute and only ever to play music > that was > > > composed > > > centuries ago. > > > > > > > > Perhaps no one is odd enough for that! If there were > such a > > person > > > - > > > who would only, ever, play centuries' old music (however > > gem-laden > > > it > > > may be) - would it be enough to say that this choice was > the > > > harmless > > > choice of a free being? > > > > > > > > There is no obvious harm to others in such a case but > perhaps > > it's > > > a > > > case of self-harm. > > > > > > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > > [3][2][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > -- > > > References > > > 1. > > > > > > > > > > > [3][9]http://www.t-online.de/service/redir/email_app_android_sendmail_f > > oot > > > [10]er.htm > > > 2. 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