Have you undertaken a survey to be able to assert any of this (other
than you divesting yourself of some instruments)?
MH
__________________________________________________________________
From: Tristan von Neumann <[email protected]>
To: lutelist Net <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2018, 4:25
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
Yes, but they are not "collecting" lutes I guess. They have them
because
they can play the music intended for it.
Lute collectors seem mostly wealthy amateurs :)
If I don't play an instrument enough, I give it away or sell it.
Am 17.03.2018 um 22:46 schrieb spiffys84121:
> Hmm. Are there -any- professional lute players that don't have at
> least a few lutes?
>
> S
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Ron Andrico <[1][email protected]>
> Date: 3/17/18 6:36 AM (GMT-07:00)
> To: [2][email protected], Lutelist
<[3][email protected]>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
>
> Tristan and Mathais, you have hit upon a very important point.
> While
> not as expensive as they should be relative to the demanding
> craftsmanship of construction, lutes are too costly for
professional
> musicians to *collect*. That is a major hurdle to getting
lutes
> into
> the hands of budding players, and the unfortunate dynamic
creates a
> *class* of lute players that might possibly exclude young
persons
> with
> both interest and potential.
> The Lute Society (UK) has had a lute hire program for many
years
> now,
> enabling interested persons to sample an instrument. The
American
> lute
> organization has recently implemented what they call a *lute
rental*
> program, an innovation I proposed to them in 2000. I wish
they
> would
> call it a *lute access* program, placing the emphasis on
getting
> their
> growing collection of instruments into the hands of potential
> lutenists, rather than the gory details of renting them.
> When it's possible for any interested person without the cost
> barrier,
> and only then, lutes will seem normal rather than unusual, and
the
> instrument will thrive in the future.
> RA
>
__________________________________________________________________
> From: [4][email protected]
<[5][email protected]> on
> behalf
> of [6][email protected]
<[7][email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:55 AM
> To: Lutelist
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
> Funds may be the pivotal point. For my first ten years with
the
> lute
> I
> used to play just anything on my one and only 8c lute that
Larry
> Brown
> had built for Budget Instruments Ltd. By anything I mean
anything
> (Dowland, Bach, Schubert, Wandervogel lieder, Clapton).
> When funds started to come in, I afforded a swan neck. Then
I
> discovered that an 11 was needed because swan necks aren't
best
> for
> French Baroque. Then there was that short era of
transitional
> tunings,
> requiring a 12c double neck. Finally I realised that a liuto
> attiorbato
> with single basses is not really the thing for Italian
arciliuto
> music
> which demands octave strings down to the 14th course. I omit
the
> serious reasoning for the chitarone and the angÃÆ ©lique.
> I could have done almost all of that music on my old 8c
lute,
> probably,
> which still is in good shape. Yet funds were available, and
so
> was
> my
> curiosity for new shores to explore.
> Mathias
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App
> --- Original-Nachricht ---
> Von: Tristan von Neumann
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
> Datum: 17.03.2018, 8:16 Uhr
> An: lutelist Net
> Some people don't have the funds to "collect lutes" :)
> I'm quite happy with 7 courses - it's amazing how just one
extra
> course
> extends the repertoire well into the 17th century, if you
don't
> mind
> playing just the upper octaves.
> Am 17.03.2018 um 02:52 schrieb spiffys84121:
> > I will play any music on lutes, if it works for that lute.
I
> believe
> in
> > using the right tool for the job-- unlike guitarists and
> pianists
> who
> > endeavor to build the whole house with just a hammer.
> >
> > My question-- do most lute players only specialize in one
> repertoire?
> I
> > play any lute music from almost the entire history of the
> lute--
> except
> > medieval. Of course this requires multiple lutes, which
I'm
> happy
> to
> > collect and play. I go through phases, like sometimes all
I
> want
> to
> do
> > is play six course music; then all of a sudden baroque
lute is
> all
> I
> > care about in life. Right now I'm obsessed with the liuto
> attiorbato
> > which I think is the most versatile of all lutes. If for
some
> reason
> I
> > had to have only one lute, it would be an attiorbato. One
can
> play
> > hundreds of years worth of music on it(in a pinch) I'm
working
> on
> my
> > version of 'Georga on my Mind' at present. My attiorbatos
have
> a
> range
> > of 5 octaves.
> >
> > Sterling
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Leonard Williams <[2][8][email protected]>
> > Date: 3/16/18 3:00 PM (GMT-07:00)
> > To: [3][9][email protected]
> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
> >
> > I, myself, was attracted to the lute, via recorders and
other
> > early
> > instruments, because I like playing renaissance music.
What
> better
> > way
> > to enjoy it than on the instruments for which it was
written?
> If I
> > were an instructor, I would probably be more inclined to
teach
> > guitarists to read lute-tabbed recercari than to play
later
> music
> on
> > the lute.
> > Leonard
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mathias.Roesel <[4][10][email protected]>
> > To: [5][11][email protected]
<[6][12][email protected]>
> > Sent: Fri, Mar 16, 2018 2:28 pm
> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
> > Everybody is free to do with their lutes, or should be so,
what
> they
> > like best.
> > Gilbert's initial observation was, though, that some 90%
of
> this
> > tiny
> > community don't seem to be interested in newly composed
music
> for
> > the
> > lute. And I take it that he wasn't referring to the lute
> mailing
> > list
> > community exclusively, but to lute loving folks in
general.
> They're
> > fully entitled, aren't they, to not be interested. And I
hasten
> to
> > add
> > that I myself refuse to get involved in lute religious
> discussions
> > about whether or not lutes should be taken to play modern
> music. I
> > for
> > one prefer to pick up the guitar for such purposes.
> > Mathias
> >
> __________________________________________________________________
> > Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App
> > --- Original-Nachricht ---
> > Von: Wayne
> > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
> > Datum: 16.03.2018, 18:01 Uhr
> > An: lute net
> > One thing that has not been mentioned is that we have
choices -
> we
> > all,
> > or most of us, or some of us, can choose to play a certain
part
> of
> > our
> > repertoire on our Les Paul/Marshall, or our classical
guitar,
> or
> our
> > romantic guitar, or our bandora, or ukulele or even
saxophone
> or
> > synth
> > in some cases. If we can choose to play Spanish music on
our
> vihuela
> > we
> > can choose to play Babbit on our (analogue tube) synth. So
> maybe
> we
> > are
> > overlooking contemporary lute music because we tend to
pick up
> a
> > different instrument to play something modern. Especially
when
> we
> > need
> > to be as loud as everyone else.
> > Does anyone here not have or play any instrument at all
but the
> > lute?
> > Wayne
> > > Begin forwarded message:
> > >
> > > From: WALSH STUART <[2][1][7][13][email protected]>
> > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
> > > Date: March 16, 2018 at 12:26:07 PM EDT
> > >
> > > If it seems odd to want to play modern music on a lute
it is
> > surely
> > odder to only play a lute and only ever to play music that
was
> > composed
> > centuries ago.
> > >
> > > Perhaps no one is odd enough for that! If there were
such a
> person
> > -
> > who would only, ever, play centuries' old music (however
> gem-laden
> > it
> > may be) - would it be enough to say that this choice was
the
> > harmless
> > choice of a free being?
> > >
> > > There is no obvious harm to others in such a case but
perhaps
> it's
> > a
> > case of self-harm.
> > >
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