The Como Francesco portrait and the engraving in the Marcolini 1536 print also show the thumb poised over the 6th course. Likewise the title page of Hans Judenkoenig's tablatgure of 1523. And many more as Ron remarkeed. And musicians are often very fussy if they are depicted in a faulty playing position, or with an outmoded instrument.
Arthur Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net -----Original Message----- From: anotherdamn6c <lutesm...@gmail.com> To: lute <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Thu, Apr 26, 2018 3:35 pm Subject: [LUTE] Re: Left thumb on the sixth. Thanks, Jean-Marie and Ron. I'll check those images when I get home. I'm just trying to figure out which chords or notes that facilitates. Sean On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 12:18 PM Jean-Marie Poirier <[1][1]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr> wrote: Have a look there : [1][2][2]http://le.luth.free.fr/pouce/index.html Best, Jean-Marie Le 26 avr. 2018 à 20:47, Ron Andrico <[2][3][3]praelu...@hotmail.com> a à ©crit : Using the thumb to fret the sixth course was absolutely an element of 16th century lute playing, based on iconography and a few mentions in historical sources that escape me at the moment. The 20th-21st century revivalist prejudice against this technique is and has been advanced by lutenists who start out as classical guitarists. Full stop. I seldom use the technique on the lute, mostly because the neck of my 72cm six-course is a bit clubby. But I do use the technique on guitar. It was good enough for Reverend Gary Davis, and it's good enough for me. RA __________________________________________________________________ From: [3][4]lute-[4]a...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[4][5]lute-[5]a...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of anotherdamn6c <[5][6][6]lutesm...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 5:41 PM To: lute Subject: [LUTE] Left thumb on the sixth. Hi all, I've always wondered: under what circumstances was the thumb around the neck to stop the 6th course thought to be an advantage? We see its use sporadically in the 16th century in occasional iconography but I gather it is not (and was not) recommended. Personally I can't do it and still have any facility on other courses--and it's painful. But I see it in contemporary guitar playing so it seems to work for some. 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