Perhaps the nasty chord shifts in Capirola's Baleto da balar bello would benefit from this?
Leonard -----Original Message----- From: anotherdamn6c <[email protected]> To: lute <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Apr 27, 2018 3:16 pm Subject: [LUTE] Re: Left thumb on the sixth. Honestly, Gilbert, I'm just trying to figure out which chords and notes it worked for. Obviously it worked for some people as a genuine tool for getting the notes out. No judgements here. I'm not interested whatsoever in the question of its impropiety, politics, cleaness of execution, health aspects [no, all these topics haven't been brought up but just hedging] or anything else. Was it part of a barre? Hitting the low A in an F chord? The low minor 3rd in a Gmin? Was it for dances? _Probably_ a self-taught technique (as someone upthread suggested), yes, but what were they playing? Sean On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:16 PM, Gilbert Isbin <[1][1][email protected]> wrote: What a fuss about nothing. (much ado about nothing) When it sounds right it sounds right. So many great players in every genre, played and are playing with there thumbs around the neck with such a wonderful results. Who cares ? If it sounds musical then it's music. With kind regards, Met vriendelijke groeten, Bien cordialement, Gilbert Isbin [2][2]www.gilbertisbin.com [3][3][email protected] 2018-04-26 22:07 GMT+02:00 Arthur Ness <[4][4][email protected]>: The Como Francesco portrait and the engraving in the Marcolini 1536 print also show the thumb poised over the 6th course. Likewise the title page of Hans Judenkoenig's tablatgure of 1523. And many more as Ron remarkeed. And musicians are often very fussy if they are depicted in a faulty playing position, or with an outmoded instrument. Arthur Ness [5][5][email protected] -----Original Message----- From: anotherdamn6c <[6][6][email protected]> To: lute <[7][7][email protected]> Sent: Thu, Apr 26, 2018 3:35 pm Subject: [LUTE] Re: Left thumb on the sixth. Thanks, Jean-Marie and Ron. I'll check those images when I get home. I'm just trying to figure out which chords or notes that facilitates. Sean On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 12:18 PM Jean-Marie Poirier <[1][1][8][8][email protected]> wrote: Have a look there : [1][2][2][9][9]http://le.luth.free.fr/pouce/index.html Best, Jean-Marie Le 26 avr. 2018 à 20:47, Ron Andrico <[2][3][3][10][10][email protected]> a à ©crit : Using the thumb to fret the sixth course was absolutely an element of 16th century lute playing, based on iconography and a few mentions in historical sources that escape me at the moment. The 20th-21st century revivalist prejudice against this technique is and has been advanced by lutenists who start out as classical guitarists. Full stop. I seldom use the technique on the lute, mostly because the neck of my 72cm six-course is a bit clubby. But I do use the technique on guitar. It was good enough for Reverend Gary Davis, and it's good enough for me. RA ___________________________________________________________ _______ From: [3][4]lute-[4][11][11][email protected] <[4][5]lute-[5][12][12][email protected]> on behalf of anotherdamn6c <[5][6][6][13][13][email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 5:41 PM To: lute Subject: [LUTE] Left thumb on the sixth. Hi all, I've always wondered: under what circumstances was the thumb around the neck to stop the 6th course thought to be an advantage? We see its use sporadically in the 16th century in occasional iconography but I gather it is not (and was not) recommended. Personally I can't do it and still have any facility on other courses--and it's painful. But I see it in contemporary guitar playing so it seems to work for some. Shot in the dark: Were they tuning the 6th course down a step and this trick gave them the 6th at nominal pitch? 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