On Thu, 9 Oct 2014, Andrew McGlashan <[email protected]> 
wrote:
> On 9/10/2014 12:51 PM, Russell Coker wrote:
> > Why don't you find some distribution that is going to stick with an older
> > init system and contribute some code to it?
> 
> Perhaps I will move to FreeBSD someday, but in the meantime it seems
> that it will be possible to run Jessie sans systemd ... so that will buy
> me time.

If sysvinit works well enough for you in Jessie then why complain?

> > To make this clearer, if you aren't going to contribute then your
> > comments on mailing lists aren't of any use to anyone.  Lots of people
> > want to tell others how to do things, but if they don't have the money
> > to pay someone or the skill to do some work then it doesn't matter.
> 
> There are more ways to contribute, opinion is just one way and it should
> be appreciated like any other type of contribution

No, it's just annoying.

Technical analysis of the features and relative merits of different software 
has some value.  Opinion is useless.

> -- unless the opinion
> is misplaced and not indicative of a reasonable number of users; given
> that so many people share my opinion on systemd, then it sure is not
> misplaced.  Those that support systemd are wiping their feet on sysvinit
> and deciding that no opposing opinion matters, full stop.

It doesn't matter how many people are wrong.  We have technical problems to 
solve.  That's the thing about science, your opinion doesn't change how things 
work.

> systemd is a debacle, good luck making it workable for yourself and
> others whom believe it is the /right/ way forward irregardless to
> popular opinion of most users -- including the silenced [moderated
> posts? thread] majority whom care like myself.

Install it and it just works.

The only problem I've seen with systemd is the journal file being excessively 
fragmented on BTRFS.  As you don't use BTRFS that won't be an issue for you, 
but if you did then you could just configure systemd to limit the size of it's 
journal (which is a good idea anyway).

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