On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 6:52 AM, Scott Kostyshak <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 05:18:16AM +0200, Liviu Andronic wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Scott Kostyshak <[email protected]> wrote: >> > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 03:40:48AM +0200, Liviu Andronic wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 11:28 PM, Scott Kostyshak <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 07:04:27AM +0000, Hermann Josef Eckl wrote: >> >> >> Thank you Liviu for this further explanation. I understand that LyX >> >> >> has a >> >> >> history of problems with clipoard managers. In the current case this >> >> >> seems >> >> >> triggered by a buggy version of gpaste, which causes also other >> >> >> problems. >> >> >> But fortunately, there is an easy solution, if gpaste is replaced by >> >> >> another clipboard manager. >> >> >> >> >> >> I will post this analysis also in the German ubuntuusers-forum, so >> >> >> maybe >> >> >> together we can find the underlying causes of these problems. >> >> >> >> >> >> Yours, Hermann Josef >> >> > >> >> > Note that the clipboard manager CopyQ works very well with LyX. >> >> > >> >> >> >> So does Clipman or Parcellite. Not sure how they interact with Gnome >> >> these days, though. >> > >> > I'm curious, when you retrieve an item in history, do they paste in >> > plain text? For example, make a LyX note, and copy some text and the LyX >> > note, then copy something else, then in Clipman/Parcellite retrieve the >> > previous item (the one with the LyX note) and paste. Does it paste the >> > LyX note? >> > >> If you specifically select an item in Clipman, then all you get is the >> note contents (i.e. plain text). Otherwise, simple copy/paste without >> accessing the clipboard's history results in the LyX Note being >> pasted. Is this different from CopyQ? > > Yes in CopyQ for me when I retrieve an item in history it pastes it as > it would paste it if I did an immediate copy/paste. That is, the LyX > note (and everything else) would be preserved. > Good to know. At that point --- when needing items from history --- I just revert to LyX's internal clipboard memory from Right click > Paste Recent.
Liviu > You do have to set this up though (i.e. explicitly tell CopyQ to store > the LyX representation of the clipboard). It is reasonable for clipboard > managers to default to only preserving certain formats. Otherwise a lot > of memory is needed. > > Scott > >> >> Liviu >> >> >> >> > Scott >> > >> >> >> >> Liviu >> >> >> >> >> >> > Scott >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Am Mon, 13 Jun 2016 08:55:42 +0200 schrieb Liviu Andronic: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 10:41 PM, Hermann Josef Eckl >> >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Thank you, Scott and all here. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I have tested now the situation on 4 computers and I can confirm, >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> the gpaste-extension for the GNOME Shell interferes with LyX, so >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> problems in selecting text occur. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> As soon as I remove gpaste LyX works normally. The gpaste extension >> >> >> >> consists of 4 packages: gpaste (this seems to be the gpaste-demon), >> >> >> >> gnome- >> >> >> >> shell-extensions-gpaste (the visible shell extension), >> >> >> >> gir1.2-gpaste-4.0, libgpaste4. I am not sure, whether it is the >> >> >> >> shell-extension, that causes the problems or the underlying >> >> >> >> gpaste-demon. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It is still strange, that only LyX has those text-selection >> >> >> >> problems, >> >> >> >> whereas all other programs work normally together with gpaste. Also >> >> >> >> LyX >> >> >> >> worked fine prior to Ubuntu 16.04. In Debian 8.x gpaste has the >> >> >> >> version >> >> >> >> 3.14-2, in Ubuntu it has the version 3.18.3-1. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Anyway gpaste causes some other strange problems in Ubuntu 16.04. >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> >> gpaste-demon seems to trigger an XORG-process which consumes extreme >> >> >> >> amounts of CPU-power. So I would give the advice that gpaste should >> >> >> >> not >> >> >> >> be used in Ubuntu 16.04; it can be replaced by Clipboard Indicator, >> >> >> >> which can be installed online via the GNOME extensions website. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > If this can be of any consolation, I've noticed strange interactions >> >> >> > between LyX and clipboard managers in the past: >> >> >> > http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6780 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Though nothing as critical as you've experienced... >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Livu >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Thank you for all the help and best wishes, >> >> >> >> yours, Hermann Josef >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Am Thu, 09 Jun 2016 17:58:35 -0400 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Thu, Jun 09, 2016 at 09:08:16PM +0000, Hermann Josef Eckl wrote: >> >> >> >>>> Thank you very much, Jean-Marc. It seems, that you gave me an >> >> >> >>>> important hint for the solution of my problem. >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> I have installed the "gpaste"-extension for the GNOME Shell, >> >> >> >>>> which is >> >> >> >>>> provided as a package of Ubuntu 16.04. >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> It seems that gpaste has some severe bugs. As soon as I remove it, >> >> >> >>>> the text selection problems in LyX are totally gone. It is a >> >> >> >>>> little >> >> >> >>>> bit strange, that this affects only LyX and no other programs. >> >> >> >>>> Therefore I never thought, that gpaste could be the cause of this >> >> >> >>>> problem. In Debian 8 gpaste works fine with LyX and generally all >> >> >> >>>> programs. >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> I will now test the situation on all of my four computers, where I >> >> >> >>>> have installed LyX / Ubuntu 16.04. If the removal of gpaste also >> >> >> >>>> clears the problems in LyX everywhere, then I think we have found >> >> >> >>>> the >> >> >> >>>> solution. >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Thank you so much, with best wishes, >> >> >> >>>> Hermann Josef >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Good job figuring out the problem! First, it is not necessarily the >> >> >> >>> case that LyX is not to blame. LyX could be the problem, or gpaste >> >> >> >>> could be the problem, or other updates due to 16.04 could be the >> >> >> >>> problem. It is hard to say. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Hopefully you can make progress in identifying where the bug comes >> >> >> >>> from so that you can report it to the right place so that future >> >> >> >>> users >> >> >> >>> won't have the same issue. I think that would take you a lot of >> >> >> >>> time >> >> >> >>> though. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Best, >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Scott >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>>> Am Thu, 09 Jun 2016 12:22:34 +0200 schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes: >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> > Le 08/06/2016 à 09:06, Hermann J. Eckl a écrit : >> >> >> >>>> >> Currently I have installed Ubuntu 16.04 LTS - and am facing a >> >> >> >>>> >> very >> >> >> >>>> >> strange an annoying problem: I have difficulties to select >> >> >> >>>> >> longer >> >> >> >>>> >> or even shortes pieces of text with the keyboard or mouse. >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> > That seems very strange an annoying indeed. >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> >> If I am trying to select some text, the selection captures only >> >> >> >>>> >> short passages and fails after some words or paragraphs, >> >> >> >>>> >> regardless of whether I am selecting with the mouse or with >> >> >> >>>> >> keyboard shortcuts. >> >> >> >>>> >> ALl other programmes (text editor, Libre Office etc.) are >> >> >> >>>> >> working >> >> >> >>>> >> correctly and I can select text withput any problems. >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> > Do you run any utilisty related to clipboard (clipboard manager >> >> >> >>>> > of >> >> >> >>>> > some sort)? >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> > JMarc >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
