On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Graham Smith <myotis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed
> at Word users.
> This has been done for R at
> http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume
> familiarity with Excel and demonstrate how things differ (or are the same)
> in R. There have also been similar things done for the GIS program Manifold,
> comparing it against the Industry standard products from ESRI.
> I had a couple of aborted attempts with Lyx, because, as a Word User, I just
> couldn't get my head around certain concepts (the concept of compiling a
> document probably being the main one). I then eventually came back to Lyx
> via SWeave in R, which introduced me to Latex, and then Lyx fell into place
> and I realised it gave me an easy interface to Latex for every day
> documents.
> A Lyx equivilant of the R tutorials would have been a great help.

I completely agree and this would be a very usefull document - but the
issue is not to provide an easy transition from Word to LyX, but to
enable an easy co-operation with Word or OO / LibreOffice users, in
the sense that:

Main Document in LyX -> export to doc / odt (including comments and
track changes) -> comment from Word users in document -> import into
LyX -> editiong in LyX -> export to doc / odt (including comments and
track changes) -> ... -> Finl editing in LyX

So the Word user would not be confronted with LyX.

But I think that this should be a separate topic.



> Graham
> On 22 March 2011 15:51, Rob Oakes <lyx-de...@oak-tree.us> wrote:
>> Dear Users and Developers,
>> Thank you to both Pavel and Stefano for ollowing up with Google about why
>> the GSoC application was turned down. Is there any way that I could help in
>> that review? Stefano, will you be attending the IRC meeting to be held later
>> today? I think it's very important that we understand why LyX was rejected
>> as a mentoring organization, and I'd be willing to hep in any way necessary.
>> While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel
>> hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to
>> think of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program
>> which helps professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even
>> more narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and physics people to
>> write a thesis or article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an
>> incredibly small user base and use.
>> While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would
>> argue that many of the developers and users are within academics), it
>> significantly understates LyX's appeal, especially if you consider the
>> enhancements available in the upcoming version. From my own personal
>> experience, I've found LyX to be the most capable pre-press/writing tool
>> I've ever come across. If I were a publishing company or involved in the
>> creation of any type of documentation, I would be looking  at LyX very
>> carefully. It's the only tool that I know that allows you to manage
>> collaboration, typesetting the final output, and target both electronic and
>> print from the same source. With the recent explosion of electronic
>> publishing and eBooks, I think that makes it *highly* relevant.
>> Yet, I'm not sure that the wider community appreciates that. (Hearing
>> Google's rationale for rejecting the GSoC application will help somewhat in
>> clarifying how LyX is perceived.) Which really brings me to the reason I'm
>> writing.
>> Would it be worth trying to promote LyX to people who might find it
>> helpful?
>> We've talked for a long time about writing a LyX book, which is an
>> excellent and wonderful project. But what if we first tested those waters by
>> tackling some smaller projects first?
>> For example:
>> 1.) I just learned about a new open design magazine this morning, called
>> LibreGraphics magazine (http://libregraphicsmag.com/). The goal of the
>> publication is to help designers find tools for their work. It seems like an
>> article about using LyX for book design would be a natural fit for their
>> target audience.
>> 2.) In similar vein, the LibreGraphics meeting is also coming up. This
>> year, it will be held in Montreal. LibreGraphics targets a similar
>> demographic, and it seems like such a presentation would be a natural fit.
>> Even better, they pay the travel expenses of presenters
>> (http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2011/). Might anyone be interested in
>> talking about using LyX to talk about book design, typography, or writing?
>> 3.) It's been some time since Linux magazine or one of the other trade
>> publications published a general purpose article on LyX. Might it be worth
>> creating and submitting one? We might try and target Linux users magazine
>> (http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/), ZdNet, or one of the large Linux blogs (like
>> OMG!Ubuntu, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/).
>> 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX,
>> but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to help.
>> Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for people,
>> like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also thought
>> about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these
>> materials would help provide a curriculum.)
>> The tutorials could address some of the finer points of using LyX that are
>> not covered in the manuals. For example, how do you collaborate using
>> version control? What is the process for creating custom, typeset
>> publications with LyX and LaTeX? We could publish cohesive examples and then
>> walk through how the code works. They might describe principles of design,
>> or typographical effects, and how they can be accomplished using LyX. Maybe
>> we could create a writeup on how to prepare files for multiple output
>> formats (print, web, eBook) using a single source. I'm sure that there are
>> other tutorials that I'm overlooking.
>> Which really brings me to the point I want to make: if we target the right
>> groups and create nice looking materials, it could go a long ways to
>> clarifying LyX's position in the free-softare world. It's also likely that
>> we might find developers to contribute time and code, businesses who would
>> be willing to support future development, and others who could help grow the
>> LyX user base.
>> Many of the other projects who were accepted seem to have dedicated
>> marketing/promotion teams. Would it be worth trying to organize such an
>> endeavor for LyX? It might provide a great way for less code savvy types to
>> contribute to the project.
>> Cheers,
>> Rob


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