probably had to warm up caps.. when they get old.. sometimes it takes a bit.

Greg

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Randall Kindig <randall.kin...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> This worked perfectly, Brian!  I now have a backup system disk and both
> have the write-protect tab on them.
>
> thanks!
>
> By the way, the system is consistently booting now.  Just had to shake the
> dust off of it, I guess.
>
> Still would like to see if I can get the other DVI box working.
>
> Randy
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2018, at 10:24 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The easiest way is using the backup program on the system disk.
>
> It's possible but I think it's probably more difficult with a modern pc. I
> don't think just any modern floppy controller chip can do it, and you need
> a 360K drive too, ideally, not the more common 1.2M drive. Then you also
> need special formatter software, which I don't know how available that is
> today, and don't know if it would work from dosbox or something. Might have
> to make a freedos bootable usb stick just to run the disk writing util.
>
> Steven Adolf has some notes on all that on club100 in the member uploads.
>
> It's much simpler to just use "BACKUP.SNG" in your case right from the
> system disk.
>
> You would boot the dvi normally, then go into basic and:
>
> RUN"0:FORMAT"
>
> Then follow the prompts to remove the system disk and put in a disk to be
> blanked and formatted.
>
> Then put the system disk back in and:
>
> NEW
> RUN"0:BACKUP.SNG"
>
> Then follow the prompts to switch back and forth putting the new disk in,
> then the system disk, then the new one again, etc, until it's over. Choose
> All when it asks All or System.
>
> I would definitely put tape over the write-protect notch on your one
> remaining working system disk before any of this!
>
> --
> bkw
>
> On Feb 17, 2018 9:19 PM, "Randall Kindig" <randall.kin...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I will check that, Brian.  Thanks for your help.
>>
>> My other question is around the boot disk.  I was sent 2 boot disks with
>> the cable, but now only 1 seems to work.  I’m worried now only having one
>> working disk.
>>
>> How do I back it up?  Is there a way to do that with the DVI?  Can I
>> create one in a different disk drive, like the drive in the TRS-80 Model 4P?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2018, at 9:15 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This sounds consistent with Fugu's idea about old capacitors. It sounds
>> like both dvi's are marginal, but one is slightly better than the other,
>> and one of your M100's is slightly better than the other, and so with the
>> two best ones combined, it just barely works, sometimes.
>>
>> I would check that voltage as he described and I expanded.
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2018 8:37 PM, "Randall Kindig" <randall.kin...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> SUCCESS!
>>>
>>> Per John’s suggestion (and was thinking the same thing when he suggested
>>> it) I now have a working system.  I started trying different combinations
>>> of DVI/M100/cable (of which I have 2 each).
>>>
>>> DVI #2, M100 #2, Cable #2, no luck
>>>
>>> So I swapped out M100 #2 (32K) for M100 #1 (24K/REX), and it worked!
>>>
>>> It’s still a little finicky and doesn’t always work, but has worked
>>> multiple times now.  I don’t know if there’s anything I can do to “tune” it
>>> so it’s more consistent, but I”m pumped that I finally got it to work.
>>>
>>> I had tried this M100/cable combination with DVI #1, so I’m wondering if
>>> there’s an issue with that DVI.  There also must be an issue of some sort
>>> with M100 #1 as the current DVI/cable setup didn’t work with that machine,
>>> but does with the other.
>>>
>>> This sure seems like a finicky setup.  I would love to see a modern DVI
>>> replacement, perhaps with SD card for disk and video output, that would
>>> take up far less desk space and be more robust.
>>>
>>> Thanks all!  Any other suggestions for troubleshooting why the M100 (#2)
>>> doesn’t work with this and also why DVI #1 doesn’t work with either M100
>>> would be much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Feb 17, 2018, at 4:22 PM, Randy Kindig <randall.kin...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I was just thinking the same thing John.  It’s worth a try.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On Feb 17, 2018, at 3:07 PM, John R. Hogerhuis <jho...@pobox.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Btw it occurs to me that there are 16 permutations possible there.
>>> Not so high that you couldn’t do all 16 and see if you ever get different
>>> results in any of 16 if you haven’t already.
>>> >>
>>> >> — John.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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