Steve,
I like your set up. I see mcomm 1.20 on club100, but not a 2.50 version. I
am running linux.
http://www.club100.org/memfiles/index.php?&direction=0&order=&directory=Kurt%20McCullum/mComm%20Python
Curtis Vaughan | Computer Consultant
AvantGuard Computer and Security Systems
Phone: (206) 423-6979 ▪ Web: www.avantguardsystems.com
On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 3:20 PM Steve Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello Curtis!
>
> You’re pursuing quite an adventure there, that’s for sure! I’m not sure
> what your “ideal” situation would be, but if my setup helps then I’d be
> happy to make a quick video and provide links to the standard cables that I
> use (no need to rewire or create anything).
>
> For transferring files back and forth between the Model T and the
> computer, my setup is from the Model T —> DB25 Male to DB9 Female cable —>
> DB9 male to USB cable —> USB port in my computer —> mComm 2.50 program
> (which is a really good one).
>
> It’s super easy to send and receive files using this setup, but if your
> preference is to use an Android device or something, then sorry I can’t
> help as I have not yet connected to anything fun like that. So… let me know
> if this setup would be of any interest to you.
>
> Cheers and thanks,
> Steve
>
>
> --
> Greetings from Steve Baker
> “Gravity brings me down…”
>
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2021, at 3:43 PM, AvantGuard Systems <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> Now I'm re-reading the Club100 instructions and it looks like I have to
> use the RS232 jack. That really changes things.....
> The instructions say the best solution is to solder the wires to the DB25
> connector. Where? The pin out makes no sense to me.
>
>
> Curtis
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 11:45 AM AvantGuard Systems <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> OK, so it seems like the easiest thing for me to try for now is using an
>> Android device, which I have plenty of. I've installed the mcomm program
>> from Club100's website. Now I just have to figure out the proper pin out
>> for a DB9 cable. Let me explain.
>> I have a Cisco DB9 to RJ45 cord.
>> The pin out is explained here:
>> https://allpinouts.org/pinouts/cables/serial/cisco-console-rj45-to-db9-pin/
>> When I look at the instructions on Club100 it looks like only pins 2-8
>> are used.
>>
>> HOWEVER! I'm no electrician, but I tested each pin for the DB9 to RJ45
>> and here's how they came out. First item is the DB9 pin and the second the
>> RJ45 from the top (the side without the clip).
>>
>> 1 > 2
>> 2 nowhere
>> 3 > 6
>> 4 > 7
>> 5 > 4
>> 6 > 2
>> 7 > 8
>> 8 > 1
>> 9 nowhere
>>
>> Looking at various Cisco charts however, it seems to me that I'm reading
>> things completely wrong. That the RJ45 should be read not from left to
>> right, but the other way. And this lines up more with various Cisco docs.
>> So that get us:
>>
>> 1 > 7
>> 2 nowhere
>> 3 > 3
>> 4 > 2
>> 5 > 5
>> 6 > 7
>> 7 > 1
>> 8 > 8
>> 9 nowhere
>>
>> My question is what is the right pin out as I could rewire however I want
>> easily. Cut off the old jack and put in a new one.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Curtis
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 4:58 PM Brian K. White <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/23/21 6:38 PM, AvantGuard Systems wrote:
>>> > Now, I'm wondering whether there's a way to transfer files from my
>>> > computer to the M100.....
>>>
>>> Many ways.
>>>
>>> How to decide which of the many ways depends on what your priorities
>>> are, convenience or cost, and on what you have available for a modern
>>> machine.
>>>
>>> For instance one super convenient option is there is an Android app that
>>> is both a TPDD server and TPDD client installer/bootstrapper. You don't
>>> have to buy anything but the serial cable and usb adapter, but you
>>> always need that anyway. But that's only super convenient if you happen
>>> to have an Android phone or tablet. And I suppose only if moving files
>>> to a phone instead of your real computer is good enough, maybe via
>>> google drive.
>>>
>>> The generally most convenient and robust way is a serial cable and a
>>> TPDD emulator and a REX#.
>>>
>>> Whatever other software or hardware you use, you pretty much always need
>>> this cable:
>>> http://tandy.wiki/Model_T_Serial_Cable
>>>
>>> Then there are several different things you can do that are all
>>> different levels of convenient, reliable, binary-safe, expensive,
>>> requiring special cables or parts or software, etc.
>>>
>>> You can use just the plain built-in telcom app and teraterm-pro or putty
>>> or really any serial comm program on the modern machine to transfer
>>> plain text. This gets you text documents and *some* basic programs but
>>> not all, maybe not all database/spreadsheet files either, definitely no
>>> tokenized basic and no binary executables.
>>> The advantage here is you don't have to buy anything but the serial
>>> cable and usb-serial adapter, and don't have to somehow get software
>>> installed onto the 100 the first time before you can start using it. But
>>> it's limited and error-prone and inconvenient.
>>>
>>> Better is to use a tpdd server on the modern machine and tpdd client on
>>> the 100.
>>>
>>> But that requires a few more pieces, for one thing, you need to get a
>>> tpdd client onto the 100 somehow the first time. It's a chicken and egg
>>> problem. If you already had an easy way to transfer files to transfer
>>> the tpdd client program, then what do you need the tpdd client program
>>> for? If you need the tpdd client program to transfer files, then how do
>>> you transfer the tpdd client program itself before it's installed?
>>>
>>> In the old days the answer was you bought the client program in the form
>>> of a ROM chip you plugged in to the option rom socket, or you loaded it
>>> from cassette tape.
>>>
>>> Today neither of those is all that practical. They are both still
>>> possible. There is an mp3 of the cassette file for TS-DOS (at least for
>>> model 100/102, not all the others). So IF you had the cassette cable you
>>> could do that. You could build yourself a TS-DOS option rom. There are
>>> plans and links to parts to make a totally neat little module, but it's
>>> kind of ridiculous amount of parts and labor and tools needed for what
>>> you get in the end. (I can say that since it's mine)
>>> http://tandy.wiki/Teeprom
>>>
>>> The MOST convenient way to get a tpdd client onto the 100 is to buy a
>>> REX# and just pop it in. That gets you TS-DOS in ROM, as well as a whole
>>> option rom library and memory backup device on-board. And that allows
>>> you to use any tpdd server on the modern machine. The 3 main ones right
>>> now are mComm, LaddieAlpha, and dlplus.
>>> http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=REXsharp
>>>
>>> If you don't have or don't want to buy a REX# (or build your own REX
>>> classic or Teeprom), the next-most convenient is to use a tpdd server
>>> that includes a bootstrapper that can install a tpdd client app onto the
>>> 100 whenever you need to, using the same serial connection that you need
>>> anyway to use the tpdd client and server. mComm and dlplus include a
>>> bootstrapper.
>>>
>>> And it depends what platform the modern machine is.
>>> For Android or Windows, there is mComm.
>>>
>>> http://www.club100.org/memfiles/index.php?&direction=0&order=&directory=Kurt%20McCullum
>>>
>>> For Linux or Mac, there is dlplus.
>>> https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus
>>>
>>> There is also a python version of mComm which you could run on almost
>>> anything, but that requires a little more fiddling.
>>>
>>> In fact I still haven't covered everything but these are the most
>>> practical options today.
>>>
>>> --
>>> bkw
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Curtis
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 3:00 PM AvantGuard Systems
>>> > <[email protected]
>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Steve,
>>> > Thanks for the response! I've figured it all out finally. Just
>>> trial
>>> > and error until something worked. I just posted the Wifi card I'm
>>> > using, but again it's: https://is.gd/2QfZNy <https://is.gd/2QfZNy>
>>> > And there's info also at: https://github.com/8bit-bruno/WiFiModem
>>> > <https://github.com/8bit-bruno/WiFiModem>
>>> >
>>> > Curtis
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 2:57 PM Steve Baker <
>>> [email protected]
>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Greetings Curtis!
>>> >
>>> > What type of RS232 modem do you use with the KayPro? Just
>>> > curious as I love retro-tech and am always looking to try out
>>> > new gear and fun stuff!
>>> >
>>> > Re: connecting to BBSs, Telnet sites, FTP sites, etc. using the
>>> > M100, one trick is to ensure the baud rate is the same on the
>>> > Model T and the RS232-WiFi card in the Term program. There’s no
>>> > special dial code and it doesn’t know about the address book (I
>>> > wrote down my favorite BBSs, Telnet, FTP, etc.).
>>> >
>>> > Basically just use the “atdt host.domain:port” command and
>>> it’ll
>>> > connect you through techno-magic. I did recently make a quick
>>> > video that does happen to show me connecting to one Telnet site
>>> > using my Tandy 102, if this is of any help. Again, your mileage
>>> > might vary depending on the gadget you’re using.
>>> >
>>> > https://youtu.be/m_IKzoesVG4 <https://youtu.be/m_IKzoesVG4>
>>> >
>>> > Hope this helps, and happy to offer whatever experience and/or
>>> > thoughts that I might have to help!
>>> > SB
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Greetings from Steve Baker
>>> > “Gravity brings me down…”
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On Feb 23, 2021, at 4:25 PM, AvantGuard Systems
>>> >> <[email protected]
>>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Really need to start saving my searches... anyhow, I know I
>>> >> somewhere saw information about using a wifi modem on the
>>> >> RS232 jack for network access.
>>> >> I have a wifi RS232 modem for my KayPro so I thought I'd try
>>> >> it on the M100. Any ideas about how to go about sending the
>>> >> right dial code (I assume from the address book) to maybe make
>>> >> it work? Or am I just going about this all wrong....
>>> >>
>>> >> Curtis
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> bkw
>>>
>>
>
