Hi Mic Unfortunately people often assume, (usually wrongly_)that because they can't get something to work, or it works differently two how they expect, it's a "bug". You and I know perhaps better than many that Apple is always working to fix things; and you also know, as I know, that things are being reported in the appropriate places and addressed by the appropriate people.
The Mac, whether it be running Lion or Snow Leopard regular edition, by far outperforms anything Windows in my opinion. Whilst there are still a few issues, for the most part it's fine and I'd say an iMac would be an excellent investment. Sadly, the scaremongering which seems to be rife amongst the VoiceOver users and the visually impaired in general, will often dissuade people. But let me tell you something. There are dealers and representatives of accessibility companies who are involved in selling everything Windows. They start many of these ridiculous rumours off because people going Mac represents a loss to them as vendors. I'll give you an example A while ago, the president of a large accessibility company in the US said to me personally: "Yes, Mac OS Talks during installation which is great. But there's no point having a talking installation to the operating system if you can't do anything with it afterwards which is the case with Mac OS." That statement is utterly ridiculous, wrong and plain scaremongering. I would encourage anybody thinking of buying a mac to do their research and listen to those of us ho have used them. I'm going to produce a podcast shortly for Mac Access on a number of OSX Basics. Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Gordon, I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called "popovers," and is accessed via a "Downloads" button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to understand. As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't mean that the fix will be included in the latest update depending on whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. I wish you luck, in any case. Regards, Nic On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > David > > The issues only really affect Lion Server, not the regular edition that you'd > get. > > Don't be put off by the pessimists. Those who can't get it working and so, > unreservedly, just condemn. > > I'm having horrendous problems with Lion Server; but let me tell you that > there's far more that's right about Lion than wrong. > > Gordon > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 07:37, David Griffith wrote: > > The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days > has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac > today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects > like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. > Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these > issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web > browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions > I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money > Apple are asking me for. > It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without > also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. > It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply corrective > upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original > install confident everything works well. > > This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the > belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. 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