Hi gordon, For the record, Cups is hardly new or unique to Apple. Linux and Unix systems have had it for years, and in fact OS X has as well, just somewhat disguised. It has always been possible to connect to a specific port on your macs and access Cups's web interface. Cheers, Zack. On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:12 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> Hi Esther > > The situation has changed radically with Lion. In Jim's case, he has the > hardware which comes with OS X Server pre-installed, I believe. This > hardware is customised for OSX Server and cannot run anything else. It won't > boot from a DVD or pen drive, as I understand it. > > Jim, I believe, wanted the twin HD and the I7 processor, but doesn't need the > server stuff. > > Actually it's my experience that the server software would impede the regular > use of applications in some situations because it requires specific > configuration data to be present. > > My understanding is that you can't install the regular version of Lion on > this hardware platform. > > As for the downloads, I'm not sure whether you're using Lion yet. But this > has also changed. There is no longer a download window to interact with. So > you need to press the "Download" button on the Safari toolbar before you get > any interaction with the downloads. > > In our case, you're correct that we need full server-side functionality. Jim > probably wasn't aware of the situation with the Mac Mini Server before he > bought it, and that's entirely understandable. > > Lion Server is grossly different in many respects from earlier versions. For > a start, Print Services, Quicktime Streaming and MYSQL service are not > supported any longer. > > Print Services has been replaced by what a > Apple calls "Cups" and the rest has been dropped completely. Why they opted > to drop MYSQL I'm not entirely sure, but they have. > > Gordon > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:51, Esther wrote: > > Hello Dónal, > > I assume that you and Chris are referring to the lack of an automatic > announcement on the start (and progress) of a download. It has always been > possible to get information on the progress of a download with VoiceOver by > interacting with the group in the Downloads window of Safari, all the way > back since VoiceOver was first implemented in Tiger. For small files, the > download can be complete before you even switch to the window, but for large > files you can get a report on progress, size, and estimated time to > completion. You can also stop the download. > > And on another related issue, I understand that all of Gordon's discussions > have been on the updated Mac OS X Server interface changes in Lion (not > specifically VoiceOver accessibility). I know why Gordon needs to run full > server operations. However, in the earlier thread and posts from Jim about > wanting to install Mac OS X Server onto his Mac Mini, I never understood > whether he really needed Mac OS X Server, because quite a lot of the software > many people associate with server operations are built into every Mac. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Aug 1, 2011, at 01:57, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion >> was released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to >> ascertain (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a >> download starts, but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is >> simply ridiculous. When any other kind of link is activated, the focus >> moves to either a different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of >> multimedia content starts to run. Surely a simple "download starting" >> message could happen? >> >> Dónal >> On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Nic, >>> >>> Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new >>> download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on >>> a downloadable file link and say something like "downloading" and I was >>> disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of >>> the web page when switching between tabs. >>> >>> I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but >>> quite rare. >>> >>> I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to >>> remove the optical drive from that too. >>> >>> Chris >>> On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Gordon, >>>> >>>> I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of >>>> these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things >>>> including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. >>>> One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a >>>> window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called >>>> "popovers," and is accessed via a "Downloads" button in the Safari >>>> toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is >>>> perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. >>>> Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit >>>> engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot >>>> of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. >>>> >>>> While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they >>>> seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may >>>> be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible >>>> workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to >>>> nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of >>>> them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver >>>> not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump >>>> to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important >>>> thing to understand. >>>> >>>> As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed >>>> straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds >>>> very simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple >>>> cause or solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, >>>> that doesn't mean that the fix will be included in the latest update >>>> depending on whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. >>>> >>>> Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a >>>> friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. 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