Hi Esther The situation has changed radically with Lion. In Jim's case, he has the hardware which comes with OS X Server pre-installed, I believe. This hardware is customised for OSX Server and cannot run anything else. It won't boot from a DVD or pen drive, as I understand it.
Jim, I believe, wanted the twin HD and the I7 processor, but doesn't need the server stuff. Actually it's my experience that the server software would impede the regular use of applications in some situations because it requires specific configuration data to be present. My understanding is that you can't install the regular version of Lion on this hardware platform. As for the downloads, I'm not sure whether you're using Lion yet. But this has also changed. There is no longer a download window to interact with. So you need to press the "Download" button on the Safari toolbar before you get any interaction with the downloads. In our case, you're correct that we need full server-side functionality. Jim probably wasn't aware of the situation with the Mac Mini Server before he bought it, and that's entirely understandable. Lion Server is grossly different in many respects from earlier versions. For a start, Print Services, Quicktime Streaming and MYSQL service are not supported any longer. Print Services has been replaced by what a Apple calls "Cups" and the rest has been dropped completely. Why they opted to drop MYSQL I'm not entirely sure, but they have. Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:51, Esther wrote: Hello Dónal, I assume that you and Chris are referring to the lack of an automatic announcement on the start (and progress) of a download. It has always been possible to get information on the progress of a download with VoiceOver by interacting with the group in the Downloads window of Safari, all the way back since VoiceOver was first implemented in Tiger. For small files, the download can be complete before you even switch to the window, but for large files you can get a report on progress, size, and estimated time to completion. You can also stop the download. And on another related issue, I understand that all of Gordon's discussions have been on the updated Mac OS X Server interface changes in Lion (not specifically VoiceOver accessibility). I know why Gordon needs to run full server operations. However, in the earlier thread and posts from Jim about wanting to install Mac OS X Server onto his Mac Mini, I never understood whether he really needed Mac OS X Server, because quite a lot of the software many people associate with server operations are built into every Mac. Cheers, Esther Cheers, Esther On Aug 1, 2011, at 01:57, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Chris, > > Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion was > released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to ascertain > (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a download starts, > but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is simply ridiculous. > When any other kind of link is activated, the focus moves to either a > different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of multimedia content > starts to run. Surely a simple "download starting" message could happen? > > Dónal > On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Nic, >> >> Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new >> download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on >> a downloadable file link and say something like "downloading" and I was >> disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of >> the web page when switching between tabs. >> >> I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but >> quite rare. >> >> I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to >> remove the optical drive from that too. >> >> Chris >> On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi Gordon, >>> >>> I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these >>> bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including >>> user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One >>> example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a >>> window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called "popovers," >>> and is accessed via a "Downloads" button in the Safari toolbar. While some >>> bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad >>> enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some >>> general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to >>> render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still >>> seems to be the case under OS X Lion. >>> >>> While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they >>> seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may >>> be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible >>> workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to >>> nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of >>> them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver >>> not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to >>> them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important >>> thing to understand. >>> >>> As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed >>> straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very >>> simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or >>> solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't >>> mean that the fix will be included in the latest update depending on >>> whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. >>> >>> Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a >>> friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly >>> get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you >>> want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. >>> >>> I wish you luck, in any case. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! 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