Travis,

1. I agree Safari and VO have always worked fine when opening and switching 
between windows.  I guess I use tabs as I used to be able to see, and I hated 
clutter and too many windows open.  Tabs are so neat and clutter free in my 
mind's eye too.  i am just knit picking I guess, but I think it is an oversight 
as the tabs themselves have the title of the web page written on them and when 
you switch to a new tab the title appears on the window title bar too.  So for 
VO not to pick up on this is lazy programming  in my opinion.  

I use Windows a lot, so guess I get used to some of the bells and whistles you 
become used to with JAWS.

2. I think Gordon's point was that it was quicker and more accessible being 
able to navigate a print services window instead of having to navigate around a 
web interface via Safari.

3.  I also agree with you on the conversations / thread matter.  Apple have 
tried to make their threads look more like conversations that appear in the 
iPhone and the forth coming iMessage facility, so I guess they are trying to 
bundle everything up.

Chris 

On 1 Aug 2011, at 17:51, Travis Siegel wrote:

> Just a couple things here.
> 1. I don't use tabs, but switching between windows using command-tilde in 
> safari has always read the title of the current page, all the way back to 
> tiger.  If tabs don't work this way, then it seems simple enough not to use 
> them.  I was under the impression that tabs did nothing for vo users, but of 
> course, I'm always willing to be corrected on that point.
> 
> 2. Cups is not unique to apple.  As Zachery pointed out, it's been in unix 
> oses for years and years, and (yes, even in osx) In fact, we use cups in 
> tiger to talk to one of our printers which is network capable, and it's 
> plugged into the tiger machine, because that's the one with the server 
> software on it (well, it did, but not anymore, but it's still tiger) Linux, 
> and even windows supports cups as well with the proper drivers, so this is 
> just apple finally moving to match the rest of the computing community.
> 
> Although, I really need to question their need to change mail's threading to 
> conversations, when every other mail client on the planet calls them threads, 
> calling them conversations is only going to confuse folks to no purpose, but 
> that's neither here nor there.
> 
> When I'm able, I fully intend to obtain lion server, but that won't be for a 
> few months at least, gotta upgrade some machines first, and replace a broken 
> interconnect board in one mac mini, then upgrade it's memory to meet lion 
> requirements.
> I'm reading the lion server threads (yes, I said threads not conversations) 
> with great pleasure, as it allows me to learn in advance what to watch out 
> for, and what works out of the box so to speak.  I'm sure I'll have a whole 
> lot more to say once Ihave lion server setup, but until then, all I can do is 
> sit here and wish. :)
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