Hello Robert,
Le 8 févr. 09 à 14:59, Robert Vojta a écrit :
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Clément Pillias
<[email protected]> wrote:
Concerning guidelines, it seems that there is currently no
guideline for shortcuts. We have discussed recently on the UX list
the eventuality to compare Human Interface Guidelines from major
platforms, and to write our own. Since it is a very big work, it
has not been started yet, but maybe we could begin with shortcuts...
It would be nice. What's the general idea? Platform specific
shortcuts? General shortcuts for all platforms?
The strategy for 3.1 is to have general shortcuts for all platforms,
although mac os version already has a few specific shortcuts. So, the
wind is changing direction :) The logical continuation would be to
make little changes, shortcut after shortcut, solving most important
issues first.
But as I said in another mail, the UX team at Sun has launched an
ambitious project called Renaissance, which goal is to create a brand
new user interface for OOo. Unfortunately, the project is still young
and currently focus on getting usage information, not taking design
decisions. So the status of platform-specific shortcuts is not yet
decided, but I believe that it will certainly be accepted in the
project later (I believe it because there is already a lot of work
and discussions in that direction, but I have no responsibility in
the project). If this idea is accepted, the UX team will certainly
write new guidelines.
From this point of view, it has no sense to work on shortcuts
issues until some rules will be there. All these issue are UI
relevant, they have to be reviewed by UX team and if there's no
document with specific rules who knows how my potential work can
end? Accepted, throwed away, ...
My opinion is that we should do the work, and create the
specifications that do not exist yet. Because if it does not exist,
the specification has no chance to be 'officially accepted' ;)
I can offer you my help on Mac side.
Cool :)
I don't know. But every shortcut change should be very carefully
done, because it can be very frustrating for the user…
Yes, you're right. But I think that more frustrating is that Cmd-M
doesn't minimize window on Mac. I agree that it should be done
carefully, but all possible Apple HIGs' shortcuts should be
supported as well.
That's why I agree with you when you suggest to make all changes in
the same new version.
[...]
What I'm trying to say is - personally I don't care how big impact
on documentation, translation (don't take it wrong, with full
respect to these people) this change will have. I do care about
usability and platform specific rules.
I do too, but:
* We do not work alone, and if we are voluntary to do some big work,
we cannot impose it to the teams working after us. This is basic
community work management ;)
* Good documentation and translation are part of a good user
experience, so I have to consider it too…
As I stated above, not yet. But I would like to see some
collaboration between User Experience and Mac Porting teams, here.
As I wrote, I'm offering my help.
OK, now I have to motivate people in the UX team ;)
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Porting_-
_Keyboard_Shortcuts
Well, as a first step, I'll go through all shortcuts and will
update this page.
I have seen that you have done great work!
regards,
Clément.
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