On Jul 11, 2004, at 2:42 PM, ahw wrote: > So sorry to be late coming back to my own party. I have installed > Firefox and am getting acquainted with it. Too soon yet to have a > strong opinion about it. My bank's site doesn't like it any better > than anything else I've tried.
Welcome back to your own party, Soda pops are in the fridge and chips are in the cupboard (smile). > > On Jul 5, 2004, at 3:00 AM, Jerry Yeager wrote: >> >> Have you turned on Safari's debug menu which lets you use it to tell >> your bank's server that Safari is Windows IE 6.x ? > > I did so shortly after receiving this. It doesn't help with the > banking, and I'm getting mixed results with other websites. Some load > faster and with a better layout. Others hang and won't load completely > without refreshing or reloading 2 or 3 times. These tend to be designed specifically for using windoze components, such as ActiveX gizmos that you have to have windoze. Very, very, bad, bad programming. >> >> There is a new version of Safari (V1.3 -- the current is V1.2.2) that >> is being tested and should be released very soon (runs on Panther) >> that has a long list of improvements, including ones that address >> issues you are raising, not to mention setting new speed records. > > I think this is going to be what I end up with. Is it in public beta? It was released to developers for testing a little over a week or so ago, so we (general public) should be getting it soon. It may be released separately from the anticipated 10.3.5 update that is also in developer's hands (the 10.3.5 update was released later than Safari's update for developer's to look through, but the 10.3.5 update lists improvements to Safari, so it is not clear on what from Apple will release these two, together or separately. > >> Also tomorrow i will try to give you some reasons that your bank >> might want to ditch using M$ servers for web stuff. > > I can give you a really good reason: MS's stuff has big holes in it. I > find it rather shocking that a financial institution trusts it. If you > have more specific points that I can express to the bank's management, > I would love to write them a letter of suggestion. This might be enough. CERT issued a very serious recommendation that windoze users change from using IE to some other browser, dang near any other browser beside IE. It seems that the viruses attacked the M$ IIS servers (apparently some big web-sites use them -- including some financial institutions), visitors that surfed in using IE on windoze got hijacked, maimed, folded, spindled, mutilated, etc. and their computers sent all kinds of private data to servers in Russia among other places (it has been surmised that the servers were being run by members of organized crime in Russia). http://networks.org/?src=cert:713878 or you will get a condensed version here: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1738&ncid=738&e=5&u=/ zd/20040706/tc_zd/130933 M$ is not going to completely fix this problem: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1617450,00.asp? kc=EWYH104039TX1B0000665 for its users. Sounds like a good reason to quit using IE to me. In all of these The Standard Virus Announcement Was Issued: 'Macs Were Unaffected'. > >> or fire up the Terminal App and do the following: >> >> To turn on Safari's Debug Menu, Quit Safari, launch Terminal and type: >> defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1 >> Launch Safari and the Debug Menu will be active. > > I did it in Terminal, and it worked like a charm. Thank you! De nada. >> >> Once the debug menu is on, you can tell Safari to send out the signal >> to the server that it is IE running on windows. > > As noted above, this hasn't solved everything, but I'm learning a lot > from tinkering with all the new options. > Well durn. For the record, there are some others out there. Safari, Camino Foxfire Mozilla Opera that have all seen recent updates (except that in Safari's case, we will have to wait just a bit longer to get it). > Thanks again! > Alex > > > > | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will > | be July 27. The LCS Web page is <http://www.kymac.org>. > | List posting address: <mailto:macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu> > | List Web page: <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup> > > Jerry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Men freely believe that what they wish to desire. -- Julius Caesar ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------- Someday, I will come up with a clever signature line. I am not sure if I will use it or not, but I will come up with one. | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will | be July 27. The LCS Web page is <http://www.kymac.org>. | List posting address: <mailto:macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu> | List Web page: <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>
