Andy and Jerry, you made my "night". I already feel a lot better and am not totally lost in the chip jungle, although need a lot more explanations. I just wished there wasn't so much rivalry ( which to me translates to greed) in the companies and a bit more teamwork and more decent competition. - Marta, how can you be so naive---- Geld regiert die Welt! ( money rules the world!) Marta On Jun 4, 2005, at 23:56, Jerry Yeager wrote:
> There are certainly benefits to Apple working with Intel, benefits for > both companies. For those with short memories, Intel invented USB and > got no support from Microsoft and it (USB) was going nowhere. Apple > decided to dump the ADB connectors (keyboards, mice, joysticks, etc.) > and use USB in its place because it made a lot of sense. [After Apple > got it going Microsoft decided to support it and the rest of USB's > story is out there for those that want to look into it.] Both > companies gained here. (USB 2.0 vs FireWire is a different, later > competition between Intel and Apple, this one is a toss up as to who > is winning, Intel seems to be taking the low end and FireWire is > taking the high end and FireWire 800 is taking the very high end). > > Then Apple released the Airport Base Station using the 802.11b > standard. Wireless wowed not only the computer world, but the world > itself. Intel decided to join in the wireless sensation sweeping the > computer world, but where to go with the second generation 802.11xyz > was a problem. Intel wanted 802.11a, Apple wanted 802.11g and used AMD > to build the chips for the base station and the internal Airport > cards. AMD is Intel's big rival. Well best known anyway. Pretty much > Apple won and Intel lost this one with "g" being the industry > standard. But the third generation of wireless technology will soon > come into "regular" use. The standard is up for grabs. Intel dearly > wants to have WiMAX be the standard. Apple has been mostly quiet about > this. > > It makes sense for Intel to keep very good relations with Apple, > because Apple can make things happen in a good way for Intel (instead > of AMD). I am not sure it makes such good sense to switch to Intel's > x86 type of processors though -- for a very long list of reasons. We > shall all know on Monday what is what. Unless, of course, Mr. Jobs > waits until Tuesday to walk into one of the conference rooms to "make > that announcement". (Tuesdays are the mythical day claimed on the 'net > by many that Apple releases new hardware.) :^) > > Jerry > > > On Jun 04, 2005, at 11:04 PM, Rex Baldazo wrote: > >> I think the switch to Intel is going to happen.? Stephen Shankland is >> reporting it on News.com and he's pretty hooked in to these kinds of >> things: >> >> http://news.com.com/2100-1006_3-5731398.html >> >> The open question is whether we're talking actual PC's (i.e., Intel >> chips, a compatible BIOS, etc.) or just Intel as the CPU with custom >> Apple stuff wrapped around.? I'm hoping for the former because, as >> you say, it opens up the possibility of running OS X on cheaply >> available PC hardware. >> >> And cheaper laptops, which is where I think it could really be >> killer.? If you've ever run XP on na Intel laptop you know it's okay >> but the suspend/awake feature is nowhere near as smooth and >> bulletproof as OS X.? I'd love to be able to marry the $700 PC >> laptops out there with OS X as the operating system. >> >> --- Rex. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu on behalf of Bill Holt >> Sent: Sat 6/4/2005 10:46 PM >> To: macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu >> Subject: Re: MacGroup: Apple Intel rumors >> >> Personally, I think the so-called experts who are predicting the >> change? >> to Intel chips are full of it.? As you note, there is a clear? >> performance disadvantage.? However, it would not surprise me to >> learn? >> that Apple is finally going to (or is exploring) market the OS to >> the? >> Intel crowd.? After all, it looks like it's going to be a year or >> more? >> until the next time M$ can make it's BS claim to have caught up.? >> The? >> features that M$ is promising are available now, in OSX.? Perhaps >> the? >> conversations are about how to key the OS to one machine. >> >> Frankly, I think this is way overdue and a potential source of more? >> profit than Apple generates from selling computers.? Imagine the >> market? >> ... a relatively cheap Intel machine loaded with OSX and preloaded >> with? >> open source software sufficient to eliminate the need for M$ Office. >> >> ?? Bill Holt >> >> On Saturday, June 4, 2005, at 09:16? PM, Profile wrote: >> >> > A question for the more informed of the group.? If indeed Apple's? >> > claims that applications optimized for the 64 bit chip often run >> the? >> > program twice as fast as the best Wintel machine, then how will >> the? >> > advantages go with Apple if they adopt the same chip as the >> Windows? >> > guys? >> > >> > Apple's own website shows the Photoshop performance to be near >> double? >> > the best Windows machines, so does it seem wise to slow your >> system? >> > and lose your speed advantage.? The Super Computers of Virginia, >> and? >> > the Military were chosen not because they had an affinity for >> Apple,? >> > rather they saw the potential of the G5 chip. >> > >> > Is this a wise move for Apple to do, if in fact it is true?? Also, >> if? >> > true, why would I want to now purchase a new computer with a chip >> that? >> > will one day lose support from the software developers? >> > >> > I for one, don't want to see them become like the dark side. >> > >> > John R. >> > >> > >> > On Jun 4, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Jerry Yeager wrote: >> > >> >> On the other hand this is also out: >> >> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1823273,00.asp >> >> >> >> >> >> So you have both sides of the rumors to choose from. It should >> indeed? >> >> be an interesting "Stevenote". >> >> >> >> ???? ??????? ??????? Jerry >> >> >> >> On Jun 04, 2005, at 8:28 AM, Ed Wiser wrote: >> >> >> >>> http://money.excite.com/ht/nw/bus/20050603/hle_bus-n03284709.html >> >>> http://news.com.com/Apple+to+ditch+IBM%2C+switch+to+Intel+chips/ >> >>> 2100-1006_3-5731398.html?tag=nefd.lede >> >>> >> >>> Well the Stevenote looks interesting for Monday. Hope the >> Quicktime? >> >>> feed can hold up to the strain. >> >>> I know I will be sitting at the computer on Monday around 1pm. >> >>> >> >> ----------------------------------- >> >> Someday, I will come up with a clever signature line. I am not >> sure? >> >> if I will use it or not, but I will come up with one. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will >> >> | be May 24. The LCS Web page is <http://www.kymac.org>. >> >> | List posting address: >> <mailto:macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu> >> >> | List Web page: <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will >> > | be May 24. The LCS Web page is <http://www.kymac.org>. >> > | List posting address: <mailto:macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu> >> > | List Web page: <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup> >> > >> >> >> >> | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will >> | be May 24. 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