There is also that bit of discussion about PCI-e and PCI-x going on
(what type of bus will be used for expansion slots for plug in cards
and graphics cards and at what speeds) where Intel and Apple having
been going in slightly different directions recently. It would be nice
not to have to pay the "$50 Mac tax" for what is the same graphics
card. Yep, Lots of reasons for Apple and Intel to be chatting without
Apple abandoning the PPC processors. As it was mentioned by Ed, watch
the news on the 'net Monday around 1:00 p.m. or a tad bit later.
Jerry
On Jun 05, 2005, at 12:22 AM, Marta Edie wrote:
> Andy and Jerry, you made my "night". I already feel a lot better and
> am not totally lost in the chip jungle, although need a lot more
> explanations. I just wished there wasn't so much rivalry ( which to me
> translates to greed) in the companies and a bit more teamwork and more
> decent competition. - Marta, how can you be so naive---- Geld regiert
> die Welt! ( money rules the world!)
> Marta
> On Jun 4, 2005, at 23:56, Jerry Yeager wrote:
>
>> There are certainly benefits to Apple working with Intel, benefits
>> for both companies. For those with short memories, Intel invented USB
>> and got no support from Microsoft and it (USB) was going nowhere.
>> Apple decided to dump the ADB connectors (keyboards, mice, joysticks,
>> etc.) and use USB in its place because it made a lot of sense. [After
>> Apple got it going Microsoft decided to support it and the rest of
>> USB's story is out there for those that want to look into it.] Both
>> companies gained here. (USB 2.0 vs FireWire is a different, later
>> competition between Intel and Apple, this one is a toss up as to who
>> is winning, Intel seems to be taking the low end and FireWire is
>> taking the high end and FireWire 800 is taking the very high end).
>>
>> Then Apple released the Airport Base Station using the 802.11b
>> standard. Wireless wowed not only the computer world, but the world
>> itself. Intel decided to join in the wireless sensation sweeping the
>> computer world, but where to go with the second generation 802.11xyz
>> was a problem. Intel wanted 802.11a, Apple wanted 802.11g and used
>> AMD to build the chips for the base station and the internal Airport
>> cards. AMD is Intel's big rival. Well best known anyway. Pretty much
>> Apple won and Intel lost this one with "g" being the industry
>> standard. But the third generation of wireless technology will soon
>> come into "regular" use. The standard is up for grabs. Intel dearly
>> wants to have WiMAX be the standard. Apple has been mostly quiet
>> about this.
>>
>> It makes sense for Intel to keep very good relations with Apple,
>> because Apple can make things happen in a good way for Intel (instead
>> of AMD). I am not sure it makes such good sense to switch to Intel's
>> x86 type of processors though -- for a very long list of reasons. We
>> shall all know on Monday what is what. Unless, of course, Mr. Jobs
>> waits until Tuesday to walk into one of the conference rooms to "make
>> that announcement". (Tuesdays are the mythical day claimed on the
>> 'net by many that Apple releases new hardware.) :^)
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>> On Jun 04, 2005, at 11:04 PM, Rex Baldazo wrote:
>>
>>> I think the switch to Intel is going to happen.? Stephen Shankland
>>> is reporting it on News.com and he's pretty hooked in to these kinds
>>> of things:
>>>
>>> http://news.com.com/2100-1006_3-5731398.html
>>>
>>> The open question is whether we're talking actual PC's (i.e., Intel
>>> chips, a compatible BIOS, etc.) or just Intel as the CPU with custom
>>> Apple stuff wrapped around.? I'm hoping for the former because, as
>>> you say, it opens up the possibility of running OS X on cheaply
>>> available PC hardware.
>>>
>>> And cheaper laptops, which is where I think it could really be
>>> killer.? If you've ever run XP on na Intel laptop you know it's okay
>>> but the suspend/awake feature is nowhere near as smooth and
>>> bulletproof as OS X.? I'd love to be able to marry the $700 PC
>>> laptops out there with OS X as the operating system.
>>>
>>> --- Rex.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu on behalf of Bill
>>> Holt
>>> Sent: Sat 6/4/2005 10:46 PM
>>> To: macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu
>>> Subject: Re: MacGroup: Apple Intel rumors
>>>
>>> Personally, I think the so-called experts who are predicting the
>>> change?
>>> to Intel chips are full of it.? As you note, there is a clear?
>>> performance disadvantage.? However, it would not surprise me to
>>> learn?
>>> that Apple is finally going to (or is exploring) market the OS to
>>> the?
>>> Intel crowd.? After all, it looks like it's going to be a year or
>>> more?
>>> until the next time M$ can make it's BS claim to have caught up.?
>>> The?
>>> features that M$ is promising are available now, in OSX.? Perhaps
>>> the?
>>> conversations are about how to key the OS to one machine.
>>>
>>> Frankly, I think this is way overdue and a potential source of more?
>>> profit than Apple generates from selling computers.? Imagine the
>>> market?
>>> ... a relatively cheap Intel machine loaded with OSX and preloaded
>>> with?
>>> open source software sufficient to eliminate the need for M$ Office.
>>>
>>> ?? Bill Holt
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 4, 2005, at 09:16? PM, Profile wrote:
>>>
>>> > A question for the more informed of the group.? If indeed Apple's?
>>> > claims that applications optimized for the 64 bit chip often run
>>> the?
>>> > program twice as fast as the best Wintel machine, then how will
>>> the?
>>> > advantages go with Apple if they adopt the same chip as the
>>> Windows?
>>> > guys?
>>> >
>>> > Apple's own website shows the Photoshop performance to be near
>>> double?
>>> > the best Windows machines, so does it seem wise to slow your
>>> system?
>>> > and lose your speed advantage.? The Super Computers of Virginia,
>>> and?
>>> > the Military were chosen not because they had an affinity for
>>> Apple,?
>>> > rather they saw the potential of the G5 chip.
>>> >
>>> > Is this a wise move for Apple to do, if in fact it is true??
>>> Also, if?
>>> > true, why would I want to now purchase a new computer with a chip
>>> that?
>>> > will one day lose support from the software developers?
>>> >
>>> > I for one, don't want to see them become like the dark side.
>>> >
>>> > John R.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Jun 4, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Jerry Yeager wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On the other hand this is also out:
>>> >> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1823273,00.asp
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> So you have both sides of the rumors to choose from. It should
>>> indeed?
>>> >> be an interesting "Stevenote".
>>> >>
>>> >> ???? ??????? ??????? Jerry
>>> >>
>>> >> On Jun 04, 2005, at 8:28 AM, Ed Wiser wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> http://money.excite.com/ht/nw/bus/20050603/hle_bus-n03284709.html
>>> >>> http://news.com.com/Apple+to+ditch+IBM%2C+switch+to+Intel+chips/
>>> >>> 2100-1006_3-5731398.html?tag=nefd.lede
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Well the Stevenote looks interesting for Monday. Hope the
>>> Quicktime?
>>> >>> feed can hold up to the strain.
>>> >>> I know I will be sitting at the computer on Monday around 1pm.
>>> >>>
>>> >> -----------------------------------
>>> >> Someday, I will come up with a clever signature line. I am not
>>> sure?
>>> >> if I will use it or not, but I will come up with one.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
>> -----------------------------------
>> Someday, I will come up with a clever signature line. I am not sure
>> if I will use it or not, but I will come up with one.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will
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