Hello Tiffany,
Well durn it anyway!
Hmm, with just the base system and no extra stuff, it should not be
hanging. As you noted, it will still run OS-9 with the Sonnet card
albeit slowly and with no extensions. It sounds like the problem is
with the Sonnet extension. I think you need to make use of the tech
support that comes with the card and ask Sonnet what is going on (The
things I had you do is what they would have had you do over the phone,
so that is out of the way.) Not to rule out a bad card which does
happen --- but many have upgraded their 6500s the same as you are doing
now, so I am thinking that the extension is a bad one (they will
probably have you download the extension and re-install it once more,
so try that just to be sure before calling them.
You should not have to rebuild the desktop, as the clean install should
have given you a new one.
What happens if you try to quit the finder as the extensions are
loading? (hold down the option key, the command (or open apple) key,
and the esc(ape) key all at once? Hold these down for a few moments,
then let them up and press return. Sometimes this will make the finder
restart and continue booting.
There is also a couple other things:
1) Zapping the PRAM a few times. (Some one correct me if I am wrong,
but I recall the key sequence as being something like the option,
command, p, and r keys all being held down at the same time during
start-up. Normally, the speaker gives off a beep when it happens. Doing
this a few times (letting it beep a few times) will clear out many
obstinate problems with stored settings. It also resets all of your
preferences back to the default as-it-came-out-of-the-factory settings,
so you will have to check all of your preferences including date and
time, etc.
The last thing (and this one is normally done by service techs so that
you don't void the warranty) is to open the case and pull the internal
battery, let the computer set for 10 minutes, then put it back in. This
also resets everything including putting the clock back to 1970.
Jerry
p.s. Hey, after this is done, you will be able to get a job as a
service tech (Just Kidding Ward!!!!!!!!!!)
On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 01:10 AM, Tiffany Cox wrote:
> Hi Jerry,
>
> OK, I've removed the PCI cards, disconnected all peripherals except the
> monitor and keyboard/mouse. I rebooted from the OS 9 CD and did a clean
> install and uninstalled and reinstalled my sonnet software. Rebooted
> leaving on only the Sonnet extension and..........same thing it does
> every
> time. It gets to where the extensions should load and freezes! No icons
> come up. The only way to get the computer to boot at all is to turn the
> extensions off and the turn of the Sonnet extension. My metronome is
> still
> clocking the processor at 250. This is such a pain. I guess sometime
> tonite
> I'll try to rebuild the desktop (I've never done this.....maybe it will
> work....I doubt it though.) I'm also going to try removing the card and
> setting it back in place. This is such a pain. I have a feeling I'm
> overlooking something frightfully obvious. Argghhh! Thanks for the
> suggestions. The USB PCI card is a Belkin by the way. I removed it this
> time but no luck.
>
> Tiffany
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Jerry Yeager <jerry at browseryshop.com>
>> To: <macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu>
>> Date: 5/13/2003 6:07:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: MacGroup: Sonnet blues
>>
>> Hello Tiffany,
>>
>> Try the following:
>>
>> Make sure your version of Sonnet's software is the latest for the=20
>> Crescendo L2 Card that you are installing: =20
>> http://www.sonnettech.com/downloads/proc_upgrds_sw.html#ce
>>
>> Shut the Mac down.
>> Remove all PCI cards out of the Mac.
>> Disconnect all peripherals from the Mac --- weeeelllll leave the=20
>> monitor plugged in :^).
>>
>> Start the mac up, holding down the shift key (I think that is the
>> one=20
>> to start with extensions turned off- it has been a while since I
> worked=20=
>>
>> in OS-9).
>> Do a clean install of OS-9 followed by a fresh install of the
>> Sonnet=20
>> extension.
>>
>> Restart.
>>
>>
>> If you are okay at this point, begin carefully adding peripherals
>> etc=20
>> back in. (Keep in mind that you can use extension-manager control
> panel=20=
>>
>> to control which extensions and Control Panels get started at boot
>> up=20
>> time. It might be prudent to only allow the base Apple ones plus
>> the=20
>> Sonnet one to start until you narrow things down).
>>
>> After a shutdown, put the PCI cards back in one at a time. Note:
>> OS-9=20
>> will inform you about USB devices etc that it finds attached and has
> no=20=
>>
>> drivers for. It will even offer to go to the net and fetch them for
> you=20=
>>
>> after you get a connection to the net.
>>
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>> ps. Who makes the PCI USB card? Some of these cards require
>> software=20
>> updates for them to work properly (that is not crash the system --=20
>> which is odd as OS-9 has a lot of USB support built in!
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 13, 2003, at 04:44 PM, Tiffany Cox wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Howdy all,
>>> =A0
>>> =A0=A0=A0=A0I figured since I got so much help here before when my =
>> 6500/250=20
>>> had it's little operating system problem, perhaps I could find
> answers=20=
>>
>>> here again. Like I said, I have a 6500/250 and bought a Sonnet=20
>>> Crescendo G3/400MHZ upgrade card for it. I installed the software
> for=20=
>>
>>> it, pulled out the guts took the cache out, pushed the little
>>> white=20
>>> button they told me to push, put in the card and put the guts back
> in=20=
>>
>>> the computer. I then turned the machine on and It gout to where it=20
>>> starts to load the extensions and froze. I rebooted with
>>> extensions=20
>>> off and tried to take them out 1 by one to try to find a conflict
> but=20=
>>
>>> this was taking a very long time so I took all the extensions out
>>> of=20=
>>
>>> the extensions folder, and tried moving back in one by one to see
> what=20=
>>
>>> the hold up was. It boots ok with just the upgrade extension as far
> as=20=
>>
>>> I can remember, but it doesn't seem to be compatible with any of
>>> my=20
>>> other extensions!! This is a pain in the rear! I can't figure out
> for=20=
>>
>>> ! the life of me how to get this thing running. I've been running
>>> it=20=
>>
>>> with the extension for the card in a separate folder for a while
>>> and=20=
>>
>>> just playing games on it till I can get my patience back to work
> with=20=
>>
>>> it again. In the meantime I'm using my peecee to get online. I want
> my=20=
>>
>>> Mac to work! Help!
>>> =A0
>>> =A0=A0=A0=A0In case there's any incompatibilities that should be =
>> obvious I'll=20
>>> list what I can remember installing on=A0the bad boy.
>>> =A0
>>> -6500/250
>>> -OS 9.1
>>> -recently switched 2 - 32MB DIMMS for 2- 64s
>>> -recently installed USB PCI card with camera and printer - I
> unplugged=20=
>>
>>> both prior to installation of upgrade card
>>> -US Robotics 3comm 56k external modem *
>>> -UMAX scanner
>>> -I don't know what the sound system is on it but I got one of
>>> those=20
>>> big box thingies that my speakers plug into (subwoofer?) I assume
> it's=20=
>>
>>> plug and play....don't know much about it but I don't
> think=A0=A0there=20=
>>
>>> would be any incompatibilities.....but as you can tell I'm no expert.
>>> -The main programs I run on it are Appleworks, Earthlink, and of=20
>>> course the OS; everything else I run off of CD.
>>> -Oh and my favorite......recently had trouble with 8.6=20
>>> freezes.......did a clean install from a 8.0 CD....freaked out=20
>>> contacted the mac group upgraded to 9.1 ;)
>>> =A0
>>> I think that's it.....oh yeah the *......I am aware that there's a
> big=20=
>>
>>> deal surrounding the goeport modems that came with the computer
>>> and=20
>>> upgrade cards. I vaguely remember trying to get rid of that thing
> when=20=
>>
>>> I was installing the external modem. I'm pretty sure I've got rid
>>> of=20=
>>
>>> all the software associated with it. I can't remember whether I=20
>>> trashed it or uninstalled it however. All I really know is that I
> got=20=
>>
>>> my 56k to work by plugging it into the printer port......only
> recently=20=
>>
>>> figured out all you have to do is take a little round piece of
> plastic=20=
>>
>>> off to access the modem port.......although I still haven't got my
> 56=20=
>>
>>> working on the modem port. It's amazing I still have a computer.
>>> ;)=20
>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>> =A0
>>> Thanks,
>>> =A0
>>> Tiffany
>>> =A0
>>> =A0
>>> --- Tiffany Cox
>>> --- xocynaffit at earthlink.net
>>> --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.
>>> =A0
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
> --- Tiffany Cox
> --- xocynaffit at earthlink.net
> --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.
>
>
>
>
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