On Friday, June 8, 2001, at 10:15 AM, David Pennell wrote:

> My feeling, for now, is that we might want to figure out how to window 
> in
> Aqua under Perl, and/or be willing to run MacPerl a little slower. It
> might be no more work to do that and the windows are of a much higher
> quality than TK can ever be.

Yes. After being spoiled by Aqua, Python/Tk on X looks rather dull. In 
fact, I prefer Jython since the Swing calls Jython makes are 
auto-magically run in Apple Java 2 Swing as Aqua UI calls. Very cool. 
However, access to the vast body of Perl code out there was why I didn't 
just abandon Perl for Python/Jython (although it is pretty tempting at 
this point given Python's cleaner syntax and object-oriented design ;-) 
Just kidding!  Perl is just too awesomely arcane and obtusely obfuscated 
to not use ;-)

> maybe we Perlites should
> also be thinking other windowing environments anyway. Open GL or Gnome 
> or
> something.

Alas, even though I have GTK+ working with C on OSX, GTK-Perl won't 
compile as of yet--although I will continue trying. I just don't know 
enough of the inner workings of these things and so must either get 
lucky or, Thomas Edison-like, must fail 10,000 times before stumbling on 
the answer by brute force inundation of effort. I don't know much about 
it, but SWIG maps C/CPP to Perl and so might be the basis of a great 
Quartz or OpenGL bridge for Perl. Anybody out there have any experience 
with that sort of thing? I have heard SWIG is pretty straight forward. 
I'll put it in my queue of things to try but I suspect there's a lot of 
work behind that.

Daniel Lord
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