At 9:20 AM -0700 6/9/01, Daniel Lord wrote:
>>On Saturday, June 9, 2001, at 05:39 AM, Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj wrote:
>>
>>I have xTools by Tenon (good stuff www.tenon.com) and do not have
>>problems with my X system (which is needed for the compile of Tk). They
>>have, incidentally, ported over Tk for Tcl (which I can't stand or
>>want to use).
>
>XTools would be okay for about $79, but $199 is highway robbery for an X Server that
>is no more stable than XFree86.
I've not had problems with it.
>
>Sorry for the rant, but after reading Mark Minasi's book "Software Conspiracy" I am a
>little tweaked about greedy
And sorry for my response, chuckle!
>developers selling shoddy software for outrageous prices.
Don't confuse small software houses with places such as Microsoft.....
>When Tenon discovered their beta package installer destroyed
>OSX installations requiring a complete re-install, they never posted any warning on
>their site causing
You obviously are quite ignorant.
The installer IS APPLE's.
I think you should get your facts straight - it wasn't Tenon's fault but the way
Apple had written the installer.
>a lot of damage. They then quietly fixed it later. Not the kind of software firm *I*
>choose to support. In contrast, although
>OminGroup's OmniWeb is a work-in-progress, they admit their flaws up front and
>respond to queries about work-arounds.
>I bought their product because that is the kind of company I trust enough to do
>business with..
>
><SOAPBOX>
> Tenon works well for rootless-X but, IMHO, it is over-priced for only that
>additional
> feature over XFree86/XDarwin. It is also more than OSX (including Aqua and
>Quartz) in price.
> tenon would charge $399 for just Project Builder at their rate.
>
> Tell me which one of those was more work and which one probably got 90% of
>it's code from
> the work of others via Open Source under the BSD license?
>
> I evaluated it and found it crashed no less often than the free X but at a
>price that is
> almost as much as Microsoft's entire Office Suite, which is a lot more work to
>produce.
> Personally, I don't know this to be true, but I suspect anyone who might
>over-charge up front will nickle-and-dime me later--I've been down that route
>before--that's
> why I dropped Windows as a platform. Now XP confirms *that* was a good
>decision.
>
> Just my opinion, but I think basic tools to display the GUI like X are the OS
>vendor's responsibility
> and shouldn't have to be paid for at high prices in the after-market. If Apple
>wants more software
> brought over to OSX, a good solid X supported by the manufacturer would go a long
>way to achieving that goal.
> I know they are probably afraid of software staying on X and never getting to
>Cocoa and Aqua. But they should
> provide tools to assist the porting then. On further speculation, perhaps Mac
>software vendors have pressured Apple
> not to allow an easy path for competitive open source software on OSX. I hope
>that is not the case.
></SOAPBOX>
Your comments have not helped whatsoever on this topic and are not RELEVANT
to the issue.
We are trying to get Tk to work - be it with xTools - (WHICH JUST WAS AWARDED
BY APPLE ITSELF) or whatever free stuff you like to run!
Let's stay on topic and see if we can get Tk working with Perl under Mac OS.
BPR
