hey guys, i read about the language staff on the apple link, it's all there : multi language but voices have to be bought separately. let's not discuss...
i will find the paragraph and send it. at first i read only the multi language sentence but then some friends pointed out about the voices sold by third parties, i was a little upset until i did not hear the news of the iphone. now i am very sodisfied , prefer my iphone in italian ! and i know that apple wont forget about the languages ... perhaps it is all part of a progect and we will have it soon. rk Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 21:21, Scott Howell ha scritto: > > Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know anything > different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any more than > your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information about > Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or not > you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being blind does > not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the NDA that > was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and Apple or > whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also jeopardizes > future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a > contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, you > are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. > > > > >> >> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what >> will >> be included in my view >> >> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> Red flag, >>> >>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> It will. >>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will >>>>> ship >>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>>> whether >>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>> >>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>> rk >>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>> languages >>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your >>>>>>> own >>>>>>> languages >>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign >>>>>>> voices >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my >>>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I >>>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my >>>>>>>> part! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have >>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they >>>>>>>>> can. I >>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do >>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>> Mac. >>>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Simon Cavendish" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding >>>>>>>>>> providing a >>>>>>>>>> broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I >>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>> Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who >>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>> benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving >>>>>>>>>> Windows >>>>>>>>>> behind altogether. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> With best wishes >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Simon >>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different >>>>>>>>>>> features. >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>>>>>>> think I remember reading that something - it may have been >>>>>>>>>>> Voice >>>>>>>>>>> Over - was >>>>>>>>>>> localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure >>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>> Braille >>>>>>>>>>> support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or >>>>>>>>>>> ask >>>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>>> to do so >>>>>>>>>>> we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think >>>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>>>>> based, so this should not be too difficult. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "william lomas" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> is there a complete list of new features? i.e. >>>>>>>>>>> .do we get new language voices i wonder >>>>>>>>>>> . new braille support in other alnguages? >>>>>>>>>>> etc >>>>>>>>>>> i guess we will not know these details really until the >>>>>>>>>>> product >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the >>>>>>>>>>>> case? >>>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately, I >>>>>>>>>>>> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then >>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>> be any problem. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Howell" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is >>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>> unreal, >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are >>>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons >>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that >>>>>>>>>>>>> $30 >>>>>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>>>>> very small price to pay for the improvements and many of >>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>>>>>> not have considered or realized. >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the i >>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now >>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash >>>>>>>>>>>>>> content >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>> point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require >>>>>>>>>>>>>> flash >>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> safari or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> other web browsers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bummed I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demos >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know by the time it comes time for me to get a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they'll of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/09, Scott Howell <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multi- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> touch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aluminum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine on your model. The most significant requirement is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G4/G5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issued >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO. It is another means to interact with the os using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how the trackpad could behave and a little >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagination >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lead >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> April >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 08 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it is the little white one. I adore it and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this sort >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the os will work but will VO function if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt gotta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any answers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best wishes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello James, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JN> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JN> I've been reading the new VO features in Snow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leopard. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where di you read this please ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Claude Renaud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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