Actually, Jonathan, for me anyway, I can braille as fast as I want to on my Braille Edge 40. That didn't use to be the case, but it sure is these days. When I had a Focus 40, I could braille on it real fast. I can also braille as fast as I want on the iPhone with my Braille Edge 40. It's the Focus 14 for me that is my problem child.
Regards, Gigi On May 13, 2014, at 10:18 AM, Jonathan Mosen <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Gigi, I'll see if I can reproduce your speed issue, there's certainly an > issue with all Braille displays and Brailling too slowly on Apple devices, > but I'll try and see if there's anything Focus 14 Blue specific with > Brailling too fast. But again, this will be a driver issue. It's not an issue > with the display itself and on the iPhone and in Windows I can go at a very > good speed. So this will be something, if it exists, that Apple will need to > address. Apple has all the driver specs but FS will help in whatever way they > can if needed. > I'll also see if an appropriate person at FS can reach out to Apple to say > there's been this feedback. Certainly on iPhone, the Focus line is one of the > most reliable displays of the bunch in terms of pairing, so it would be good > to see that experience replicated with Mac. > > On 13/05/2014, at 10:38 pm, Eugenia Firth <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Jonathan >> When I say horrible, I guess I need to be more specific. It has to do with >> writing on the display with the keyboard. The timing of the keys is off >> somehowh if you write the letter T, for example, dots to three maybe >> recognized first and then dots 45 may be recognized later. . If that is, you >> Braille too fast. If I Braille slow enough, that is, real slow, I can get my >> computer to recognize what I'm imputting. It is better in computer Braille. >> >> I can read on the display just fine. However, I got it so that I could >> write on its keyboard. And that is the very thing I'm having trouble with. >> >> I have a 2011 MacBook Pro with 8 GB of memory because I got it updated. Can >> you think of a setting in voiceover that I could change that would make this >> better? I am pretty sure that it is not my unit because a representative of >> Crystal vision went to the Apple Store and tried to pair his focus 14 with >> one of their computers. It didn't work. >> Regards, >> Gigi >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 13, 2014, at 3:53 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> At the moment my display does not work on the Mac via blue tooth and my i >>> Mac is a 2012 model late! That's OK about my gender Jonnathan! I love this >>> display so much that got another for work through the Government! >>> >>> On 13 May 2014, at 02:59 am, Jonathan Mosen <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Gigi. I am replying to you by Brailling into my Focus 14 Blue, >>>> connected to a Macbook Air mid-2013 running Mavericks. Apple not only have >>>> the drivers, they also include them in iOS. >>>> When you say the display is horrible in USB, there are no specifics I can >>>> respond to I'm afraid. People who can help really need you to tell them >>>> what specifically you consider horrible, what you're doing, what results >>>> you are hoping for and what results you get. And obviously I'm very keen >>>> to be helpful because you're right, any Braille display is an investment >>>> that should last you a long time. >>>> I can only tell you that drivers exist and are functioning for many people >>>> but not for some others. I'm not at all minimising your frustration but >>>> that is why I attempted to explain the relationship between a Braille >>>> display and the screen reader developer in my previous message. >>>> Apple Braille can be quite quirky, and that's the case with any display. >>>> But if it's not working at all, then that's something Freedom Scientific >>>> is always happy to help any screen reader developer work on if they need >>>> help. The fact that the Focus family is working, and working well for many >>>> customers, is testimony to the fact that Apple not only have the drivers >>>> but the documentation to have written the drivers. >>>> Oh, and to Kawl, very sorry for getting your gender wrong. Major oops. :). >>>> >>>> Jonathan >>>> On 13/05/2014, at 1:40 pm, Eugenia Firth <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Jonathan >>>>> Okay, but the only problem is that Apple says that freedom scientific has >>>>> to turn in driver information to them I was told that my focus 14 could >>>>> run on any computer. It will not pair with a Mac, and I know that this is >>>>> just not like him Braille display that's the problem because another >>>>> focus 14 will not pair with other Macintosh computers. The other thing >>>>> is, mine is horrible even in USB mode. This display is so bad even in >>>>> USB mode that it's almost unusable. >>>>> >>>>> I am sure that you can agree, I hope, that Braille displays are too >>>>> expensive not to stay working once you get one. This situation is making >>>>> me a little nervous about the long-term use of this display because how >>>>> do I know that, even if it is fixed for now, it won't become unfixed down >>>>> the road. These displays absolutely must work for a reasonable length of >>>>> time for it to be worth it for us to pay the kind of money that we pay. >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Gigi >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On May 12, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Jonathan Mosen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Gigi and all, I'd like to try and set some expectations regarding >>>>>> what customers should expect from what companies when it comes to >>>>>> Braille displays. >>>>>> Kawl wrote to me a few days ago, and once we got past some terminology, >>>>>> I established what he wanted was the ability to install Focus Blue >>>>>> firmware updates via the Mac. >>>>>> Freedom Scientific presently doesn't produce any Mac software, but I >>>>>> agree that it's not unreasonable to hope that if you've brought some >>>>>> hardware to run on your Mac, you can upgrade it via that Mac. I can't >>>>>> give any commitments at this point but I do want you and the list to >>>>>> know that the request has been passed on and it is being taken >>>>>> seriously. Certainly firmware upgrades are the responsibility of the >>>>>> Braille display manufacturer, whoever that manufacturer is. >>>>>> There is another issue, and that involves some displays apparently not >>>>>> working on certain variations of Mac. In this case, if the device is >>>>>> working properly in all other situations, this is most likely to be an >>>>>> issue for Apple to resolve. Any screen reader developer, in this case >>>>>> VoiceOver, writes their own drivers to interface with a Braille display. >>>>>> The only drivers Freedom Scientific write are for JAWS, which they also >>>>>> produce. From time to time, something may happen which breaks support >>>>>> for certain displays, and naturally this is highly frustrating for those >>>>>> affected. >>>>>> I'm using the Focus 40 Blue regularly on a Mac with no issues. This >>>>>> doesn't help anyone who is having trouble, but it does suggest that the >>>>>> problem may be isolated to certain kinds of Mac, or even certain kinds >>>>>> of Mac produced at a certain time, so Apple Accessibility is your best >>>>>> bet for this. Like any tricky software issue, the more data Apple can >>>>>> get, I'm sure the more likely it will be that they can isolate and >>>>>> ultimately solve the problem. >>>>>> I hope that's of some help. >>>>>> Jonathan >>>>>> On 12/05/2014, at 1:18 am, Eugenia Firth <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi there ' >>>>>>> I hope it works, but I might point out that if you call Freedom >>>>>>> Scientific about your braille display like I did and you mention the >>>>>>> words Macintosh computer, you are immediately told to call Apple. They >>>>>>> won't even talk about it, no matter what your question is. I must say >>>>>>> they sort of panicked when I asked about that cd that comes with the >>>>>>> Focus 14. I didn't think it had a Mac installer on it since Apple puts >>>>>>> those drives on our Macs, but I was hoping. I was told immediately no >>>>>>> way should I put that cd in my Mac. They didn't know there was no way I >>>>>>> was going to do that unless it was marked for that or they told me to >>>>>>> do it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Gigi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 10, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have written to Apple and to somebody who works in Freedom >>>>>>>> scientific to see whether or not we can have firmware drivers as Mac >>>>>>>> installers. Hopefully, we will get some results from that soon. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 10 May 2014, at 08:59 am, Annie Skov Nielsen >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Kawal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is good to write to apple. It maybe requires a cooperation between >>>>>>>>> apple and freedom scientiffic to get it to work again. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best regards Annie. >>>>>>>>>> Den 09/05/2014 kl. 22.41 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have written to Apple access ability or is it the other way round! >>>>>>>>>> To discuss with Freedom scientific. Hopefully, I will have a >>>>>>>>>> response soon, and will share it with you all. I have also written >>>>>>>>>> an email to Jonathan Mosen to ask him to encourage freedom >>>>>>>>>> scientific to put Mac installers of their products on their website. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 9 May 2014, at 09:19 pm, Annie Skov Nielsen >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kawal. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have 2 macs here, on the older mac it works on this mac from 2011 >>>>>>>>>>> it will not load the driver as you said. I can not figure out >>>>>>>>>>> what's going wrong. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards Annie. >>>>>>>>>>>> Den 09/05/2014 kl. 21.05 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it has nothing to do with the model, as the driver is stalled on >>>>>>>>>>>> the bell display successfully. It is when you try and connect this >>>>>>>>>>>> displayed via Bluetooth with the Mac. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 May 2014, at 06:57 pm, Teresa Cochran <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This seems very strange. I've had a Focus 40 blue since 2010 and >>>>>>>>>>>>> it has updated perfectly. 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