Hi. I'd like to see where in Mavericks you see Safari crash. I installed 
Mavericks on day 1 when it released and had no problems with my Safari 
whatsoever. Also, you say that Voiceover was unstable for you. What was going 
on? Because again, my Voiceover worked perfectly on Mavericks.
The reason why I was excited for Mavericks is because, and this may sound a 
little shallow to you, I was excited that Vocalizer Expressive was finally 
coming. And yes, OS X Snow Leopard was a good OS, that's what was installed on 
this mid 2010 white MacBook, but I missed the Nuance voices that I had on my PC 
before I sold it and when Lion came out, I could finally use them. I will say 
one thing though, thank God they fixed, or almost fixed, the pitch change bug 
it had.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook

> On Jul 26, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> If your Mac journey starts with Lion, then I'd agree that anything subsequent 
> is a vast improvement.  Of the three released since Lion, I think ML has 
> proven to be the least annoying and most stable, but Mavericks will probably 
> prove less frustrating at the current rate of VoiceOver instability and 
> Safari crashes.
> 
> I don't agree that OS X is substantially better since SL, in fact, I'd argue 
> that many things now taken for granted started their life in SL.  This 
> includes the many VoiceOver changes since Leopard, which IMO were among the 
> biggest.  FWIW, my first Mac came with Leopard, although I wasn't much 
> impressed by Tiger before it, and didn't even know Apple had a Spoken 
> Interface preview before then.  I had some dealings with classic Mac OS, but 
> only through a musical friend downgrading for the use of Outspoken from 
> Panther.
> 
> The Windows comparison is highly strained, because indeed, Windows 7--still 
> used by many people--was released in the same year as SL.  I realise the 
> power of nostalgia, but Apple's release cycle is much shorter than 
> Microsoft's, and there are still people using SL because they have to, EG 
> those with Core Solo Macs.  So, yes, SL is to Apple what XP is to Windows, 
> but only because it's discontinued and many people have, use, need and enjoy 
> it.
> 
> I don't think I could go back to SL.  I might install it, and use it, between 
> now and Yosemite, as a kind of personal protest.  Sadly, some of the tools I 
> use (in particular OS X server's caching server and Arq) require later 
> versions of OS X.  Still, I do maintain that SL was, subjectively at any 
> rate, the best version of OS X I've used--better than Leopard 10.5.8, Lion, 
> Mountain Lion, and Mavericks.  The latter three, in my opinion, are 
> destroying the platform, rendering it less and less "Mac-like" and more and 
> more "iPad-like", which is not a trend I appreciate at all.  As soon as 
> "Windows 9" (or whatever they call it) comes out and proves to be everything 
> that's likeable about Windows 7, but with all of the under-the-hood goodness 
> in Windows 8, I'll take a serious look.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
> 
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