It may be your braille display. I've not had problems. Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> wrote: > > So I’m having real problems with Braille on the Mac and up front it’s > probably the guy behind the keyboard not the software but others confirm so I > don’t know. > > I can’t do the basic stuff like hide applications or execute a lot of the VO > commands. Even the closing of windows with command W when remapped to a set > of keys on my braille device is inconsistent. Are you having better luck > with this? Several people have told me to use the keyboard and then just the > braille when editing documents etc but this seems suboptimal. > > What do you think are you having more luck with VO on the Mac? > > >> On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:52 AM, Devin Prater <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> The only thing I hate about braille with Apple devices is that it doesn't >> show textual formatting like italics. Not even putting the braille signs for >> italics makes the text actually italicized. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> So on the braille front? >>> >>> Is it me or does braille support on the IOS devices like the pad and phone >>> work so much better than it does on the Mac with VO? >>> >>> What’s that about? >>> >>> I just got a braille device and I’m actually thinking (perish the thought) >>> of installing windows in a VM so I can use it with JFW instead of VoiceOver >>> on the computer side. >>> >>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 3:18 AM, David Chittenden <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Chris, >>>> >>>> I run my business and personal life from my iPhone and my iPad. I turn my >>>> Mac on around once per week. >>>> >>>> The biggest hint I can give you is, learn to use your touch screen. I use >>>> my touch screen all the time. I now use braille screen input for writing, >>>> including this email. You may well find yourself much more productive if >>>> you only use your keyboard for actually writing text. This, after all, is >>>> how the iPad and iPhone are designed to be used. >>>> >>>> My fiancé is a specialised teacher of blind children. Now that she has >>>> adjusted her teaching to having the kids use touch screen gesture commands >>>> rather than keyboard commands, there has been a very significant increase >>>> in the students' abilities to keep up with their sighted peers. >>>> >>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>> Email: [email protected] >>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On 26 Aug 2015, at 02:33, Christopher Gilland <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Guys, >>>>> >>>>> OK so here is my next observation working soly with I O S exclusively for >>>>> this 1-day challenge. >>>>> >>>>> This morning, the challenge has been forcing myself to check all of my >>>>> e-mail from my IPad. I am not saying that I've never done e-mail from I >>>>> O S before. Remember, I am a fairly advanced I O S user, however I'm >>>>> honestly starting to wonder if I really am as advanced as I gave myself >>>>> credit. I definitely feel very weird doing things totally on a mobile >>>>> platform only. I think it's more that I know what I'm doing, but it's >>>>> just a bit foreign to me, as I don't admittedly do this probably near as >>>>> much as I should. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, so e-mail... OK, realize that I'm basing this on doing things >>>>> with the IPad, not with an IPod/IPhone. This said, I'm sure I'd run into >>>>> some of the same hurtles. These things are definitely not show stoppers >>>>> by any means, but it's just taking some time for me to really get used to. >>>>> >>>>> First off, I was under the impression that when using a bluetooth >>>>> keyboard, which I am, I could use some of the same keystrokes that are >>>>> built into Mail on the Mac. For example, When sitting on a message in my >>>>> inbox, focused on the message list, I heard a message, something like, >>>>> Unread, Christopher-Mark Gilland: This is a test. I also heard Voiceover >>>>> tell me that actions were available within my actions rotor. I totally >>>>> understand that I could have pressed my down arrow key to move through >>>>> these actions, however, I was under the impression that if I was to >>>>> simply just hit my delete key, I then could delete that message with >>>>> basically one keystroke. Lamentably, this didn't work. I'm not sure if >>>>> that has anything to do with the fact that I'm using IMap with GMail, but >>>>> I seriously doubt it. I don't think I was in my GMail mailbox. To the >>>>> best of my knowledge, I was in my unified inbox. >>>>> >>>>> Finally, I found a message that I needed to read. I pressed both my up >>>>> and down arrow keys together to perform a double tap on the item. I >>>>> admit I was very impressed that even though the IPad uses a split screen, >>>>> and therefore the message list virtically stays on the left side of the >>>>> screen, Voiceover was smart enough to move my immediate focus to the >>>>> content of the message I'd just double tapped on. I was then able to use >>>>> quick nav and simply left and right arrow through the message, as if I >>>>> was flicking through the screen to read its content. I was blown away at >>>>> how well things worked on that front! >>>>> >>>>> Now came my next, "Huh?" moment. I went to reply to the message. I was >>>>> hoping, though on a mobile platform, not OSX, that Apple would have >>>>> implemented some keyboard hotkeys for us bluetooth users. I therefore >>>>> just out of a hunch tried hitting command+R. Well, um, duh. That kind a >>>>> didn't work, darn! So I went to the place where I logically thought the >>>>> reply icon would be located... below the message. I then discovered it >>>>> actually wasn't down there, but instead, unlike on the IPhone, is up at >>>>> the top of the screen right above the message content. >>>>> >>>>> So, yeah, that was a little bit confusing. >>>>> >>>>> Further, I tried composing a new message from scratch. This proved to be >>>>> extremely confusing! I started by pressing command+N. I really hoped >>>>> that at the very least would work. Well, no dice. It didn't. Oh well. >>>>> So, I hit ctrl+Up arrow to move my focus to the top of the screen. I >>>>> then used my right arrow key to systematically move through the screen >>>>> and locate the compose button. You know... while I'm sitting here >>>>> writing this, I'm having a major no duh, Shirlock, moment. Wy the hell >>>>> did I not just use the damn item chooser list? Who's the real advanced >>>>> VO user now!? LOL! God I feel stupid! Anyway, try as I may, I couldn't >>>>> find the compose button. I knew it was there, but no matter what, >>>>> Voiceover wouldn't see it. This took me on quite a wild goose chase for >>>>> about 5 minutes. Finally it occured to me that the unified inbox was >>>>> opened in a popup window. So, I touched my screen outside its >>>>> bounderies, and then heard, "Double tap to dismiss." I did this and the >>>>> message list went away. As this point, I was then able to find the >>>>> compose button with no issue. Man was that confusing though! Anyway, I >>>>> got my e-mail typed, and went to send it. I tried command+Shift+D, but >>>>> it didn't work. >>>>> >>>>> I understand you all may say, "Chris, this isn't a mac. You can't expect >>>>> the keyboard commands to be identical." I know that. I just simply was >>>>> hoping that maybe some of the same keystrokes were integraded. Sadly, >>>>> they're not though. >>>>> >>>>> OK, now I will confess one thing. I know I probably shouldn't admit this >>>>> publicly, but I am running the I O S 9 beta. I'm not sure if maybe they >>>>> broke these keystrokes, but, somehow I doubt it. I vaguely remember >>>>> being able to do them in the past, but maybe I only dreamt I could. >>>>> Sometimes, I miss my mind. LOL! >>>>> >>>>> Over all, I think Mail works fantastically, but it would definitely be >>>>> nice to see Apple include some of these sshortcuts. I think it would >>>>> make people's lives a bit easier. For one thing, it would be way less >>>>> VOing around the screen. >>>>> >>>>> Over all though, I was able to successfully check and send mail, though >>>>> not with the most ease, I think given some time and practice, I could >>>>> actually grow to really really like doing so from the IPad/IPhone. >>>>> >>>>> If anyone has any tips maybe that they could provide for an IPad user >>>>> checking Mail, then please do let me know. I'm open for suggestions. >>>>> >>>>> Have a terriffic day. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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