I used the APH Refreshabraille. Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> wrote: > > Which display are you using? I’m trying the Focus 40 Blue. > >> On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Devin Prater <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> It may be your braille display. I've not had problems. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> So I’m having real problems with Braille on the Mac and up front it’s >>> probably the guy behind the keyboard not the software but others confirm so >>> I don’t know. >>> >>> I can’t do the basic stuff like hide applications or execute a lot of the >>> VO commands. Even the closing of windows with command W when remapped to a >>> set of keys on my braille device is inconsistent. Are you having better >>> luck with this? Several people have told me to use the keyboard and then >>> just the braille when editing documents etc but this seems suboptimal. >>> >>> What do you think are you having more luck with VO on the Mac? >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:52 AM, Devin Prater <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> The only thing I hate about braille with Apple devices is that it doesn't >>>> show textual formatting like italics. Not even putting the braille signs >>>> for italics makes the text actually italicized. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> So on the braille front? >>>>> >>>>> Is it me or does braille support on the IOS devices like the pad and >>>>> phone work so much better than it does on the Mac with VO? >>>>> >>>>> What’s that about? >>>>> >>>>> I just got a braille device and I’m actually thinking (perish the >>>>> thought) of installing windows in a VM so I can use it with JFW instead >>>>> of VoiceOver on the computer side. >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 3:18 AM, David Chittenden <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Chris, >>>>>> >>>>>> I run my business and personal life from my iPhone and my iPad. I turn >>>>>> my Mac on around once per week. >>>>>> >>>>>> The biggest hint I can give you is, learn to use your touch screen. I >>>>>> use my touch screen all the time. I now use braille screen input for >>>>>> writing, including this email. You may well find yourself much more >>>>>> productive if you only use your keyboard for actually writing text. >>>>>> This, after all, is how the iPad and iPhone are designed to be used. >>>>>> >>>>>> My fiancé is a specialised teacher of blind children. Now that she has >>>>>> adjusted her teaching to having the kids use touch screen gesture >>>>>> commands rather than keyboard commands, there has been a very >>>>>> significant increase in the students' abilities to keep up with their >>>>>> sighted peers. >>>>>> >>>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 26 Aug 2015, at 02:33, Christopher Gilland <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Guys, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OK so here is my next observation working soly with I O S exclusively >>>>>>> for this 1-day challenge. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This morning, the challenge has been forcing myself to check all of my >>>>>>> e-mail from my IPad. I am not saying that I've never done e-mail from >>>>>>> I O S before. Remember, I am a fairly advanced I O S user, however I'm >>>>>>> honestly starting to wonder if I really am as advanced as I gave myself >>>>>>> credit. I definitely feel very weird doing things totally on a mobile >>>>>>> platform only. I think it's more that I know what I'm doing, but it's >>>>>>> just a bit foreign to me, as I don't admittedly do this probably near >>>>>>> as much as I should. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway, so e-mail... OK, realize that I'm basing this on doing things >>>>>>> with the IPad, not with an IPod/IPhone. This said, I'm sure I'd run >>>>>>> into some of the same hurtles. These things are definitely not show >>>>>>> stoppers by any means, but it's just taking some time for me to really >>>>>>> get used to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First off, I was under the impression that when using a bluetooth >>>>>>> keyboard, which I am, I could use some of the same keystrokes that are >>>>>>> built into Mail on the Mac. For example, When sitting on a message in >>>>>>> my inbox, focused on the message list, I heard a message, something >>>>>>> like, Unread, Christopher-Mark Gilland: This is a test. I also heard >>>>>>> Voiceover tell me that actions were available within my actions rotor. >>>>>>> I totally understand that I could have pressed my down arrow key to >>>>>>> move through these actions, however, I was under the impression that if >>>>>>> I was to simply just hit my delete key, I then could delete that >>>>>>> message with basically one keystroke. Lamentably, this didn't work. >>>>>>> I'm not sure if that has anything to do with the fact that I'm using >>>>>>> IMap with GMail, but I seriously doubt it. I don't think I was in my >>>>>>> GMail mailbox. To the best of my knowledge, I was in my unified inbox. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Finally, I found a message that I needed to read. I pressed both my up >>>>>>> and down arrow keys together to perform a double tap on the item. I >>>>>>> admit I was very impressed that even though the IPad uses a split >>>>>>> screen, and therefore the message list virtically stays on the left >>>>>>> side of the screen, Voiceover was smart enough to move my immediate >>>>>>> focus to the content of the message I'd just double tapped on. I was >>>>>>> then able to use quick nav and simply left and right arrow through the >>>>>>> message, as if I was flicking through the screen to read its content. >>>>>>> I was blown away at how well things worked on that front! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now came my next, "Huh?" moment. I went to reply to the message. I >>>>>>> was hoping, though on a mobile platform, not OSX, that Apple would have >>>>>>> implemented some keyboard hotkeys for us bluetooth users. I therefore >>>>>>> just out of a hunch tried hitting command+R. Well, um, duh. That kind >>>>>>> a didn't work, darn! So I went to the place where I logically thought >>>>>>> the reply icon would be located... below the message. I then >>>>>>> discovered it actually wasn't down there, but instead, unlike on the >>>>>>> IPhone, is up at the top of the screen right above the message content. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, yeah, that was a little bit confusing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Further, I tried composing a new message from scratch. This proved to >>>>>>> be extremely confusing! I started by pressing command+N. I really >>>>>>> hoped that at the very least would work. Well, no dice. It didn't. >>>>>>> Oh well. So, I hit ctrl+Up arrow to move my focus to the top of the >>>>>>> screen. I then used my right arrow key to systematically move through >>>>>>> the screen and locate the compose button. You know... while I'm >>>>>>> sitting here writing this, I'm having a major no duh, Shirlock, moment. >>>>>>> Wy the hell did I not just use the damn item chooser list? Who's the >>>>>>> real advanced VO user now!? LOL! God I feel stupid! Anyway, try as I >>>>>>> may, I couldn't find the compose button. I knew it was there, but no >>>>>>> matter what, Voiceover wouldn't see it. This took me on quite a wild >>>>>>> goose chase for about 5 minutes. Finally it occured to me that the >>>>>>> unified inbox was opened in a popup window. So, I touched my screen >>>>>>> outside its bounderies, and then heard, "Double tap to dismiss." I did >>>>>>> this and the message list went away. As this point, I was then able to >>>>>>> find the compose button with no issue. Man was that confusing though! >>>>>>> Anyway, I got my e-mail typed, and went to send it. I tried >>>>>>> command+Shift+D, but it didn't work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I understand you all may say, "Chris, this isn't a mac. You can't >>>>>>> expect the keyboard commands to be identical." I know that. I just >>>>>>> simply was hoping that maybe some of the same keystrokes were >>>>>>> integraded. Sadly, they're not though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OK, now I will confess one thing. I know I probably shouldn't admit >>>>>>> this publicly, but I am running the I O S 9 beta. I'm not sure if >>>>>>> maybe they broke these keystrokes, but, somehow I doubt it. I vaguely >>>>>>> remember being able to do them in the past, but maybe I only dreamt I >>>>>>> could. Sometimes, I miss my mind. LOL! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Over all, I think Mail works fantastically, but it would definitely be >>>>>>> nice to see Apple include some of these sshortcuts. I think it would >>>>>>> make people's lives a bit easier. For one thing, it would be way less >>>>>>> VOing around the screen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Over all though, I was able to successfully check and send mail, though >>>>>>> not with the most ease, I think given some time and practice, I could >>>>>>> actually grow to really really like doing so from the IPad/IPhone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If anyone has any tips maybe that they could provide for an IPad user >>>>>>> checking Mail, then please do let me know. 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