Scott, My preference is to, as much as possible, perform tasks the same as my sighted peers. As touch-screens are the wave of the future (until air gestures take over), my focus is on using touch-screen.
My braille display is at my fiancé's house. I will test it again with my mac when I return there in a week. The braille display must be connected in order for the braille commands list to appear in VO configuration on the Mac. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: [email protected] Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 28 Aug 2015, at 00:48, Scott Granados <[email protected]> wrote: > > So on the braille front? > > Is it me or does braille support on the IOS devices like the pad and phone > work so much better than it does on the Mac with VO? > > What’s that about? > > I just got a braille device and I’m actually thinking (perish the thought) of > installing windows in a VM so I can use it with JFW instead of VoiceOver on > the computer side. > >> On Aug 27, 2015, at 3:18 AM, David Chittenden <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Chris, >> >> I run my business and personal life from my iPhone and my iPad. I turn my >> Mac on around once per week. >> >> The biggest hint I can give you is, learn to use your touch screen. I use my >> touch screen all the time. I now use braille screen input for writing, >> including this email. You may well find yourself much more productive if you >> only use your keyboard for actually writing text. This, after all, is how >> the iPad and iPhone are designed to be used. >> >> My fiancé is a specialised teacher of blind children. Now that she has >> adjusted her teaching to having the kids use touch screen gesture commands >> rather than keyboard commands, there has been a very significant increase in >> the students' abilities to keep up with their sighted peers. >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: [email protected] >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 26 Aug 2015, at 02:33, Christopher Gilland <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Guys, >>> >>> OK so here is my next observation working soly with I O S exclusively for >>> this 1-day challenge. >>> >>> This morning, the challenge has been forcing myself to check all of my >>> e-mail from my IPad. I am not saying that I've never done e-mail from I O >>> S before. Remember, I am a fairly advanced I O S user, however I'm >>> honestly starting to wonder if I really am as advanced as I gave myself >>> credit. I definitely feel very weird doing things totally on a mobile >>> platform only. I think it's more that I know what I'm doing, but it's just >>> a bit foreign to me, as I don't admittedly do this probably near as much as >>> I should. >>> >>> Anyway, so e-mail... OK, realize that I'm basing this on doing things with >>> the IPad, not with an IPod/IPhone. This said, I'm sure I'd run into some >>> of the same hurtles. These things are definitely not show stoppers by any >>> means, but it's just taking some time for me to really get used to. >>> >>> First off, I was under the impression that when using a bluetooth keyboard, >>> which I am, I could use some of the same keystrokes that are built into >>> Mail on the Mac. For example, When sitting on a message in my inbox, >>> focused on the message list, I heard a message, something like, Unread, >>> Christopher-Mark Gilland: This is a test. I also heard Voiceover tell me >>> that actions were available within my actions rotor. I totally understand >>> that I could have pressed my down arrow key to move through these actions, >>> however, I was under the impression that if I was to simply just hit my >>> delete key, I then could delete that message with basically one keystroke. >>> Lamentably, this didn't work. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with >>> the fact that I'm using IMap with GMail, but I seriously doubt it. I don't >>> think I was in my GMail mailbox. To the best of my knowledge, I was in my >>> unified inbox. >>> >>> Finally, I found a message that I needed to read. I pressed both my up and >>> down arrow keys together to perform a double tap on the item. I admit I >>> was very impressed that even though the IPad uses a split screen, and >>> therefore the message list virtically stays on the left side of the screen, >>> Voiceover was smart enough to move my immediate focus to the content of the >>> message I'd just double tapped on. I was then able to use quick nav and >>> simply left and right arrow through the message, as if I was flicking >>> through the screen to read its content. I was blown away at how well >>> things worked on that front! >>> >>> Now came my next, "Huh?" moment. I went to reply to the message. I was >>> hoping, though on a mobile platform, not OSX, that Apple would have >>> implemented some keyboard hotkeys for us bluetooth users. I therefore just >>> out of a hunch tried hitting command+R. Well, um, duh. That kind a didn't >>> work, darn! So I went to the place where I logically thought the reply >>> icon would be located... below the message. I then discovered it actually >>> wasn't down there, but instead, unlike on the IPhone, is up at the top of >>> the screen right above the message content. >>> >>> So, yeah, that was a little bit confusing. >>> >>> Further, I tried composing a new message from scratch. This proved to be >>> extremely confusing! I started by pressing command+N. I really hoped that >>> at the very least would work. Well, no dice. It didn't. Oh well. So, I >>> hit ctrl+Up arrow to move my focus to the top of the screen. I then used >>> my right arrow key to systematically move through the screen and locate the >>> compose button. You know... while I'm sitting here writing this, I'm >>> having a major no duh, Shirlock, moment. Wy the hell did I not just use >>> the damn item chooser list? Who's the real advanced VO user now!? LOL! >>> God I feel stupid! Anyway, try as I may, I couldn't find the compose >>> button. I knew it was there, but no matter what, Voiceover wouldn't see >>> it. This took me on quite a wild goose chase for about 5 minutes. Finally >>> it occured to me that the unified inbox was opened in a popup window. So, >>> I touched my screen outside its bounderies, and then heard, "Double tap to >>> dismiss." I did this and the message list went away. As this point, I was >>> then able to find the compose button with no issue. Man was that confusing >>> though! Anyway, I got my e-mail typed, and went to send it. I tried >>> command+Shift+D, but it didn't work. >>> >>> I understand you all may say, "Chris, this isn't a mac. You can't expect >>> the keyboard commands to be identical." I know that. I just simply was >>> hoping that maybe some of the same keystrokes were integraded. Sadly, >>> they're not though. >>> >>> OK, now I will confess one thing. I know I probably shouldn't admit this >>> publicly, but I am running the I O S 9 beta. I'm not sure if maybe they >>> broke these keystrokes, but, somehow I doubt it. I vaguely remember being >>> able to do them in the past, but maybe I only dreamt I could. Sometimes, I >>> miss my mind. LOL! >>> >>> Over all, I think Mail works fantastically, but it would definitely be nice >>> to see Apple include some of these sshortcuts. I think it would make >>> people's lives a bit easier. For one thing, it would be way less VOing >>> around the screen. >>> >>> Over all though, I was able to successfully check and send mail, though not >>> with the most ease, I think given some time and practice, I could actually >>> grow to really really like doing so from the IPad/IPhone. >>> >>> If anyone has any tips maybe that they could provide for an IPad user >>> checking Mail, then please do let me know. 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