Which display are you using? I’m trying the Focus 40 Blue. > On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Devin Prater <[email protected]> wrote: > > It may be your braille display. I've not had problems. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 27, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> So I’m having real problems with Braille on the Mac and up front it’s >> probably the guy behind the keyboard not the software but others confirm so >> I don’t know. >> >> I can’t do the basic stuff like hide applications or execute a lot of the VO >> commands. Even the closing of windows with command W when remapped to a set >> of keys on my braille device is inconsistent. Are you having better luck >> with this? Several people have told me to use the keyboard and then just >> the braille when editing documents etc but this seems suboptimal. >> >> What do you think are you having more luck with VO on the Mac? >> >> >>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:52 AM, Devin Prater <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> The only thing I hate about braille with Apple devices is that it doesn't >>> show textual formatting like italics. Not even putting the braille signs >>> for italics makes the text actually italicized. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> So on the braille front? >>>> >>>> Is it me or does braille support on the IOS devices like the pad and phone >>>> work so much better than it does on the Mac with VO? >>>> >>>> What’s that about? >>>> >>>> I just got a braille device and I’m actually thinking (perish the thought) >>>> of installing windows in a VM so I can use it with JFW instead of >>>> VoiceOver on the computer side. >>>> >>>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 3:18 AM, David Chittenden <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Chris, >>>>> >>>>> I run my business and personal life from my iPhone and my iPad. I turn my >>>>> Mac on around once per week. >>>>> >>>>> The biggest hint I can give you is, learn to use your touch screen. I use >>>>> my touch screen all the time. I now use braille screen input for writing, >>>>> including this email. You may well find yourself much more productive if >>>>> you only use your keyboard for actually writing text. This, after all, is >>>>> how the iPad and iPhone are designed to be used. >>>>> >>>>> My fiancé is a specialised teacher of blind children. Now that she has >>>>> adjusted her teaching to having the kids use touch screen gesture >>>>> commands rather than keyboard commands, there has been a very significant >>>>> increase in the students' abilities to keep up with their sighted peers. >>>>> >>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On 26 Aug 2015, at 02:33, Christopher Gilland <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Guys, >>>>>> >>>>>> OK so here is my next observation working soly with I O S exclusively >>>>>> for this 1-day challenge. >>>>>> >>>>>> This morning, the challenge has been forcing myself to check all of my >>>>>> e-mail from my IPad. I am not saying that I've never done e-mail from I >>>>>> O S before. Remember, I am a fairly advanced I O S user, however I'm >>>>>> honestly starting to wonder if I really am as advanced as I gave myself >>>>>> credit. I definitely feel very weird doing things totally on a mobile >>>>>> platform only. I think it's more that I know what I'm doing, but it's >>>>>> just a bit foreign to me, as I don't admittedly do this probably near as >>>>>> much as I should. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, so e-mail... OK, realize that I'm basing this on doing things >>>>>> with the IPad, not with an IPod/IPhone. This said, I'm sure I'd run >>>>>> into some of the same hurtles. These things are definitely not show >>>>>> stoppers by any means, but it's just taking some time for me to really >>>>>> get used to. >>>>>> >>>>>> First off, I was under the impression that when using a bluetooth >>>>>> keyboard, which I am, I could use some of the same keystrokes that are >>>>>> built into Mail on the Mac. For example, When sitting on a message in >>>>>> my inbox, focused on the message list, I heard a message, something >>>>>> like, Unread, Christopher-Mark Gilland: This is a test. I also heard >>>>>> Voiceover tell me that actions were available within my actions rotor. >>>>>> I totally understand that I could have pressed my down arrow key to move >>>>>> through these actions, however, I was under the impression that if I was >>>>>> to simply just hit my delete key, I then could delete that message with >>>>>> basically one keystroke. Lamentably, this didn't work. I'm not sure if >>>>>> that has anything to do with the fact that I'm using IMap with GMail, >>>>>> but I seriously doubt it. I don't think I was in my GMail mailbox. To >>>>>> the best of my knowledge, I was in my unified inbox. >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally, I found a message that I needed to read. I pressed both my up >>>>>> and down arrow keys together to perform a double tap on the item. I >>>>>> admit I was very impressed that even though the IPad uses a split >>>>>> screen, and therefore the message list virtically stays on the left side >>>>>> of the screen, Voiceover was smart enough to move my immediate focus to >>>>>> the content of the message I'd just double tapped on. I was then able >>>>>> to use quick nav and simply left and right arrow through the message, as >>>>>> if I was flicking through the screen to read its content. I was blown >>>>>> away at how well things worked on that front! >>>>>> >>>>>> Now came my next, "Huh?" moment. I went to reply to the message. I was >>>>>> hoping, though on a mobile platform, not OSX, that Apple would have >>>>>> implemented some keyboard hotkeys for us bluetooth users. I therefore >>>>>> just out of a hunch tried hitting command+R. Well, um, duh. That kind >>>>>> a didn't work, darn! So I went to the place where I logically thought >>>>>> the reply icon would be located... below the message. I then discovered >>>>>> it actually wasn't down there, but instead, unlike on the IPhone, is up >>>>>> at the top of the screen right above the message content. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, yeah, that was a little bit confusing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Further, I tried composing a new message from scratch. This proved to >>>>>> be extremely confusing! I started by pressing command+N. I really >>>>>> hoped that at the very least would work. Well, no dice. It didn't. Oh >>>>>> well. So, I hit ctrl+Up arrow to move my focus to the top of the >>>>>> screen. I then used my right arrow key to systematically move through >>>>>> the screen and locate the compose button. You know... while I'm sitting >>>>>> here writing this, I'm having a major no duh, Shirlock, moment. Wy the >>>>>> hell did I not just use the damn item chooser list? Who's the real >>>>>> advanced VO user now!? LOL! God I feel stupid! Anyway, try as I may, >>>>>> I couldn't find the compose button. I knew it was there, but no matter >>>>>> what, Voiceover wouldn't see it. This took me on quite a wild goose >>>>>> chase for about 5 minutes. Finally it occured to me that the unified >>>>>> inbox was opened in a popup window. So, I touched my screen outside its >>>>>> bounderies, and then heard, "Double tap to dismiss." I did this and the >>>>>> message list went away. As this point, I was then able to find the >>>>>> compose button with no issue. Man was that confusing though! Anyway, I >>>>>> got my e-mail typed, and went to send it. I tried command+Shift+D, but >>>>>> it didn't work. >>>>>> >>>>>> I understand you all may say, "Chris, this isn't a mac. You can't >>>>>> expect the keyboard commands to be identical." I know that. I just >>>>>> simply was hoping that maybe some of the same keystrokes were >>>>>> integraded. Sadly, they're not though. >>>>>> >>>>>> OK, now I will confess one thing. I know I probably shouldn't admit >>>>>> this publicly, but I am running the I O S 9 beta. I'm not sure if maybe >>>>>> they broke these keystrokes, but, somehow I doubt it. I vaguely >>>>>> remember being able to do them in the past, but maybe I only dreamt I >>>>>> could. Sometimes, I miss my mind. LOL! >>>>>> >>>>>> Over all, I think Mail works fantastically, but it would definitely be >>>>>> nice to see Apple include some of these sshortcuts. I think it would >>>>>> make people's lives a bit easier. For one thing, it would be way less >>>>>> VOing around the screen. >>>>>> >>>>>> Over all though, I was able to successfully check and send mail, though >>>>>> not with the most ease, I think given some time and practice, I could >>>>>> actually grow to really really like doing so from the IPad/IPhone. >>>>>> >>>>>> If anyone has any tips maybe that they could provide for an IPad user >>>>>> checking Mail, then please do let me know. 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