I know this is crazy, but I do a lot more on mx phone now. Sure, I use the Mac 
for big things, like long documents, and playing Windows games, but besides 
that, El Cap has kind of turn me off from browsing the web or emailing  because 
of all the little bugs turning into a big sour experience. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Just to address the mail problem. Yes, this was a bug in Yosemite as well, 
> and yes, it's random. What I meant to say in my bug, and what I don't think I 
> made clear, is that El Cap has made it worse. For instance, I used to 
> sometimes get the sender's name and the text in a scroll area. Now, in El 
> Cap, I nearly always get that, and am sometimes not even placed there but 
> rather on a toolbar that has no message text at all. So yes, this bug has 
> been around for a while, but El Cap has (on my machine) made it worse. Sorry 
> for any confusion on this one.
>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 14:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just wanted to throw in my two cents worth to say that ever since Yosemite, 
>> I have also had that intermittant issue with e-mail messages not reading 
>> when you open them.  Yeah, you can hit vo+J from the message list table, but 
>> I'm old school.  I prefer literally openning the message with the return 
>> key.  Call me weird, but that's that.  LOL!  So, just wanted to acknowledge 
>> that you're not alone on that one bug.  I've seen it too, and hate it!
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Goodin" <doniado...@me.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: El Capitan Is Here
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> The one that bugs me the most on a day-to-day basis is the one pertaining to 
>> mail messages.  It's very rare that I open a message and just get to read 
>> it.  I very often have to open and close it several times.
>> 
>> there were others I noticed, I think pertaining to the Safari busy. and 
>> having to show and hide the reader a couple of times.  But the mail one is 
>> the bug that really drives me crazy.
>> Take care,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> I would be curious which of Alex's bugs you experienced in Yosemite. Some 
>>> of the ones I recall reading on his list I am certainly not experiencing, 
>>> and those are some of the more serious ones. Audio ducking doesn't much 
>>> concern me. But the web stuff, getting stuck on webpages, the problems with 
>>> the neuance   etc., those do concern me a lot.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 4:45 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I finally had a minute to read Alex's bugs list.  I thought it worth 
>>>> mentioning that many of those bugs are bugs I'm currently experiencing in 
>>>> Yosemite.  so, while I confess I was hoping they would be fixed in el 
>>>> Capitán, these are not new bugs, just old ones that didn't get fixed.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Sep 30, 2015, at 12:56 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Just a note to say that El Capitan has been released. I compiled a bug 
>>>>> list for AppleVis which I strongly recommend everyone looks at, as there 
>>>>> are some pretty major problems on there. I also wrote a blog, and did a 
>>>>> podcast, covering the new features in VoiceOver. Links:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bug List:
>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/blog/mac-os-x-news/accessibility-bugs-os-x-1011-el-capitan-serious-minor
>>>>> 
>>>>> New Features Blog:
>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/blog/assistive-technology-mac-os-x-news/whats-new-os-x-1011-el-capitan-voiceover-users
>>>>> 
>>>>> New Features Podcast:
>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/exploring-some-new-accessibility-features-os-x-1011-el-capitan
>>>>> 
>>>>> I realized, in reading this email back, that it might come off as a 
>>>>> little arrogant. I don't mean it that way, I just wanted to give people a 
>>>>> single place to get some coverage about the new OS, and those are the 
>>>>> only accessibility-centric sources I know of for now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>> Alex Hall
>>>>> mehg...@icloud.com
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