Result in  the end.

 I wish you had have told me prior to my blowing the machine away and 
reinstalling from scratch including bootcamp image.

But hey I know now.

Cheers.

-----Original Message-----
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2016 8:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: El Capitan Clean Install

Lol don't mention it. I think the only way that Apple will fix this issue is if 
more of us sends an email to accessibil...@apple.com or if people are using the 
betas like myself uses Feedback Assistant to report this issue, that's the only 
way this will be fixed. I'm only one voice but if they hear more voices maybe 
they'll do something.
Yeah, I wish we could choose what's in that rotor, but unfortunately that's not 
the case. Personally, I don't see the significance of the Window Spots option 
because I rarely have more than one window open. So if we could choose what 
rotor options we want like in iOS, I'd for sure get rid of Window Spots.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Mar 31, 2016, at 2:24 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Shawn,
> 
> Take Me big boy I'm yours!
> 
> But no really your not my kind of girl Thanks for that correction, it 
> worked great.
> 
> How do we go about adding pressure to Apple to get that issue changed?
> 
> Or can the window spots be removed from the router
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
> Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2016 7:58 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: El Capitan Clean Install
> 
> Hi Simon and E.T. I know what's going on. Since the first release of El 
> Capitan, and even in the betas, there's been a bug when after you use Safari, 
> the VO navigation rotor for some reason gets set to Window Spots. I've 
> written to Apple to fix this bug multiple times but still they haven't done 
> anything about it as you can see. While we wait for the bug to be fixed, set 
> your navigation rotor to navigation by pressing both left and up arrow until 
> you hear Voiceover say navigation. And like I said, if you use Safari and 
> after you're finished with it, do this command and up and down arrows should 
> work again.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
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> 
>> On Mar 30, 2016, at 8:48 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi ET,
>> 
>> Simple things like bringing up the finder menus using VO m and then 
>> using the down arrow to scrole down even the apple menu to about this 
>> mac or app store and system preferences or
>> 
>> Into system preferences and network I found I had to VO  up / down 
>> arrows to move between the services Wifi / Ethernet etc.
>> 
>> Things that should be just a case of an up or down arrow key press need me 
>> to use the VO keys to scrole up / down.
>> 
>> I've wiped the machine and reimaged the machine with a new install of 
>> el capitan But still no change, I'm going to have to kill my bootcamp 
>> installation and see if that corrects anything
>> 
>> But again that's a last resort.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> 
>> Simon F
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2016 2:07 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: El Capitan Clean Install
>> 
>> Simon,
>>   What commands were you using that do not work now?
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>> true?
>> 
>> On 3/30/2016 4:02 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Interesting,
>>> 
>>> I did a pram reset lastnight on my MBA to see if it corrected a couple of 
>>> issues.
>>> But no, I still have to use VO up / down arrows to scrole up or down menus 
>>> or lists.
>>> Next step might be frizby time.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2016 5:03 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: El Capitan Clean Install
>>> 
>>>    Not so fast. I had the same issue when I booted up this morning. I did 
>>> another cold boot and will do a couple more later just to make sure.
>>> Its driving me mad. (smiles) A new Mac in my future?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>    ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>> 
>>> On 3/29/2016 10:42 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>>> I am so glad you were able to resolve this issue.
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:31 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: El Capitan Clean Install
>>>> 
>>>>     It finally came to me to do a PRAM. If only I did that this morning.
>>>> 
>>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>     ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>>> true?
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/29/2016 7:12 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you using the Apple EarPods with your Mac? Or a third-party item.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:05 PM
>>>>> To: MacVisionaries
>>>>> Subject: El Capitan Clean Install
>>>>> 
>>>>>      10.11.3 was giving me some problems so when 10.11.4 was released, I 
>>>>> decided to do a clean install with it. Even before I have reinstalled 
>>>>> anything, that is not working out so well especially with Voiceover and 
>>>>> either wired or Bluetooth headsets. When I try to view items in Finder, 
>>>>> audio is routed to system speaker. Anyone seen this?
>>>>> 
>>>>>      Thinking about trying 10.11.3 again.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>      ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it 
>>>>> were true?
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