Confirmed that my work computer on El Capitan appears to work correctly with 
either mode of getting to menu extras.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 3:53 PM, E.T. <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>   Confirmed that using ctrl f8 is awkward. Using VO commands is always 
> reliable.
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>> On 10/26/2016 12:50 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi Andrew,
>> 
>> I can't really confirm how different it is from one version of OS X to 
>> another as I usually use the VO-m-m method, but I will take your word for it 
>> that things are working differently.  I have found in my testing that the 
>> ctrl-f8 method is awkward in Sierra though.  Sometimes, I need to hit the 
>> down arrow first before I can go right or left.  Sometimes, I've had to hit 
>> the down arrow to get out of a stuck kind of movement.  It certainly isn't 
>> working as well as it should.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 11:06, Andrew Lamanche <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> That's what I find so intriguing.  I wasn't seeing any reports on the list 
>> about this change of behaviour and yet on my macbook pro May 2014 it 
>> happens.  As you say: when I access the menu extra with vo+mm shortcut 
>> combination, I have to use vo+arrow keys and vo+spacebar to activate an 
>> individual menu item.  But when I press control+f8, all I hear is 
>> "application", and I appear to be stuck.  Adding fn key doesn't work because 
>> I have that option changed in the system preferences menu to use fn key only 
>> access additional functions of the fn keys.  I've tried it anyway but 
>> nothing happened.  It's not a deal breaker but I do miss the control+f8.  
>> Control+f3 for dock activation still works thank goodness.
>> 
>> If you can think of anything that I might have misconfigured, please let me 
>> know.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 26 Oct 2016, at 14:32, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Andrew,
>>> 
>>> That still works for me, although I need to hold down the FN key as well as 
>>> the ctrl key to access the Extras menu in that way.  There appears to be 
>>> two different reactions when using the Extras menu.  If you use the VO-m-m 
>>> to invoke the Extras menu, then VO keys are required to move between menus 
>>> and VO-space is required to open a menu.  When using the ctrl-f8 method, 
>>> then arrow keys alone seem to work.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 02:04, Andrew Lamanche <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Could anyone confirm this?  Prior to OS Sierra, I used to invoke menu extra 
>>> with control+f8 key combination.  Once there, I could use arrow keys to 
>>> move from menu item to menu item and then up and down arrows to open the 
>>> submenus.  After installing OS Sierra, invoking menu extra with control+f8 
>>> doesn't always work and if it does, I have to use vo+arrow keys to move 
>>> from item to item.  Does anyone else experience this?  Is this a deliberate 
>>> change from Apple?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 
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