Hey folks, I know this is big news in the USA but it's happened and your stuck with the Don now for another 4 years, that's 48 months, But this is meant to be a list for apple related computer / device issues etc.
Could we put the political chat to bed. I do as a non American feel for you all but you've made your bed, so either lye in it or move to another hotel! But lets get back on track here. It's getting over the top. Cheers, Simon F -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Friday, 11 November 2016 4:39 AM To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Get out there and vote everyone! Well I wasn’t making a political claim based on party. I fully agree, everyone was wrong. It’s like Brexit, the Elite media and ruling classes completely missed the boat. I totally agree that no one of us has a monopoly on any sort of knowledge at all but I do think you can glean a lot by putting your ear to the ground or just paying attention. Maybe that only gives you a picture of the most narrow window but I think it’s something people miss. I called ahead of time Brexit and made money on it as a result, same with Trump’s victory. Also remember to folks thinking I’m being political I didn’t vote for either and didn’t support either candidate. So Janinia, you raise extremely valid points and well presented but I’m just not sure the polling is worth the paper it’s printed on. Note the discussions recently on the total rejection of polling in the trading community. You’ve given me a lot to think about though. > On Nov 10, 2016, at 10:24 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > I must disagree, Scott. > > No one of us hears enough "actual people" to know much of anything. We > know our own circle of contacts, that's about it. It's a very big > country. I warrant I don't know much about the actual people in > Boulder, Colorado or Portland, Oregon. Heck, I don't even know much > about the actual people in Frederick, Maryland, and that's just up the > road from me a piece. > > > There are those among us, however, for whom this kind if knowledge is > a specialty. Good politicians know these things, as do good political > reporters. > > We get a glimpse into the level of this knowledge rarely on TV, but we > do get it as results pour in of an election eve. Think of the guy > talking about so many votes from this county, and then talking about > how many votes are possibly left in that other county that hasn't yet > reported. Then they say "Obama go so many in 2012, and Romney so many, > so there might be as much as XX votes still available from there, and > those people tend to vote blank party." That's knowledge. They can > talk this stuff like we talk networking and cell technology here, off > the top of their heads with an occasional check of some fact or other. > > The rest is turnout. Trump won because more of his people voted. > That's the bottom line. Clinton underperformed Obama 2012 by 6 million > votes, and underperformed Obama 2008 by 10 million votes. Meanwhile, > Trump underperformed Romney by only a million (or so). > > Wisconsin went to Trump because too many Democrats in and around > Milwaukee stayed home. Ditto for Philadelphia, even though the > Philadelphia Democratic machine got the turnout far closer to 2012 > levels than was the norm across the nation. > > So, what did polling get wrong? Levels of turnout appears to be the > answer, boiled down to the fundamentals. And, that's always a guessing > game in advance of the actual event. That's why sites like five thirty > eight dot com provides confidence percentages. And, whether the > confidence level is 70%, or 80%, there's still the balance to make up > 100% because there is the builtin acknowledgement that "we could be > wrong." > > Nor should we blame media, or liberal bias. The RNC also had it wrong, > and the Trump people themselves were expecting to lose early in the > evening. > > > To my mind this election is an illustration of the old "you can lead a > horse to water, but you can't make the horse drink" adage. The best > get out the vote organization still can't make people actually vote, > though the Philadelphia Democratic machine does illustrate how a > really good machine can get you close. Note that the Philadelphia > machine is well organized all the way down to the ward and precinct level. > > Janina > > > Scott Granados writes: >> You knew the signs were out there, it was a Brexit type event all over >> again. If you listened to the elite media and ruling class there was no >> way, if you listened to the actual people you knew it was going to happen. >> >> Polling is dead. There’s a technological and believe it or not on topic >> reason for it as well. Apple and Google have us all cutting the cord and >> living with cell phones now. Pollsters can’t call cell phones. The fewer >> hard lines there are left out there the fewer people to sample. >> >>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 8:45 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: >>> >>> Most people I know are still in a state of shock. I didn't think this >>> would happen in a million years. Hilary wasn't a good candidate, but still >>> ... >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:27 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Bummer dudes and dudettes! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott >>>> Granados >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016 12:50 AM >>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Subject: Get out there and vote everyone! >>>> >>>> For our friends in the US, >>>> Totally apolitical here and please please let’s keep it that way. 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