Hi, This is being made more complex than it needs to be.
• System volume is the level of everything. This is controlled either by the volume keys, F11 and F12 for down and up respectively, or you can use the VoiceOver command of VO-minus or VO-equals. Yes, there is control for this in the Sound pane, but that would make your life more complicated and there’s no need to go there. • the Apple Accessibility representative was mistaken for Catalina. This checkbox for the Startup Chime is not available in Catalina. It was introduced in Big Sur. • if you currently do not have the Startup Chime, then you’ll either need to turn up the system volume, which I’ve outlined above, use the Terminal command I outlined in an earlier post, or, in some cases, you can reset the PRAM and it will be heard. • to reset the PRAM, turn your Mac off, then wait a few seconds, turn it back on and immediately hold down cmd+option+r+p. Some finger gymnastics, but doable. As I mentioned from the beginning, the Startup Chime was initially a hardware change, so older Macs that originally had the Startup Chime should not have lost it in the first place. HTH. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada > On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:08, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> wrote: > > If Apple accessibility is correct and it is considered to be a sound effect, > hopefully there will indeed be a volume for effects in general as e. T. is > suggesting. > will find out on Thursday. > > > > On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: > >> Actually, with the startup sound, I don’t even know if you can change the >> volume. Maybe in terminal, but I don’t think I can even change the volume >> level of VO on the logon Screen that you get with File Valt and I don’t >> think I could last time I had it in recovery mode, though that was a while >> back so I could be wrong on that one. >> >>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:21, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I am not interested in doing this in the terminal, although I imagine >>> Johnathan's information will help someone. >>> Instead I am interested in where the settings for system volume are located. >>> I intend on Thursday to have sighted help adjust this setting, I am not >>> solid enough in voiceover as of yet to do this, we are still optimizing my >>> computer for my use. >>> Karen >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> You can use: >>>> >>>> sudo nvram StartupMute=%00 >>>> >>>> To enable the startup chime on a Mac where it has been muted. Remember >>>> that in Terminal, when you use the “sudo” command, you will be asked to >>>> enter your password if you’re an Admin of the computer. There will be no >>>> audio feedback when entering this password in Terminal like you would here >>>> in regular situations. If you’re not in an Admin account, you will not be >>>> able to use this command. >>>> >>>> HTH. >>>> >>>> Later… >>>> >>>> >>>> Tim Kilburn >>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>> Apple Teacher >>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>> >>>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:24, Jonathan C. Cohn <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still enable it in the >>>>> terminal app with a command that examines and changes nvram settings for >>>>> the computer. I think it might have been Alex Hall that posted the recipe >>>>> to turn this on. Or perhaps a man --- c nvram will pull up the sntax. >>>>> My mac is a couple 100 miles away so can't be very specific. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be >>>>>> set low as well. Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your >>>>>> computer from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime? >>>>>> >>>>>> Later… >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Tim, >>>>>>> My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, >>>>>>> which may be why the sound is missing. >>>>>>> As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was >>>>>>> never a windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs. >>>>>>> What about turning up the sound if needful? >>>>>>> Kare >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac. >>>>>>>> That is, the startup chime should still work normally on that device >>>>>>>> without any intervention in System Preferences. I’m willing to be >>>>>>>> corrected, but I also believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking >>>>>>>> of was not present in Catalina, only Big Sur and newer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime >>>>>>>> that is sounded as part of the boot process. In older Macs, before it >>>>>>>> was removed, it doubled as kind of a system check. If you heard that >>>>>>>> noise, then the hardware was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the >>>>>>>> MacOS, unless the drive was a problem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> HTH. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> hi everyone, >>>>>>>>> I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 >>>>>>>>> Catalina. >>>>>>>>> I recall the discussion about the apple start up sound being >>>>>>>>> removed, was told by apple accessibility that this is corrected by >>>>>>>>> accessing system preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure >>>>>>>>> there is a checkbox beside start up sound. >>>>>>>>> What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound >>>>>>>>> volume is turned up, something I want to know just in case. >>>>>>>>> Also, if the start up sound is provided, does it also happen when >>>>>>>>> awakening the mac, opening the lid? >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>>>>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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