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Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada > On Jun 8, 2022, at 17:48, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: > > Hi, > Not necessarily, at least for my combination of experiences. > If I do, as I plan tomorrow, check the sound effects sub-menu and a means of > setting sound as you wisely share here, I get to establish a baseline of > sound that from an auditory processing standpoint insures I can say hear past > the tinnitus I have in one ear. I already know my associate states the > volume is low. > From what you provide here f-11 and f-12 will adjust the system volume > allowing me to make changes, when wearing headphones, or using a speaker, > or any number of situations. > Still, and I am happy to be corrected if wrong, would not the sound return to > the level of the computer once shut down, meaning it would not absolutely > recall where I left the f-11 f-12 setting? TK: The level of volume that was set before restart or shutdown is normally the level that it will return to upon startup the next time. > again happy to be wrong, but for me personally, better to have a sound > baseline I can adjust then hear nothing by mistake. > Will report on the startup checkbox, if my time tomorrow supports your > wisdom, I will be sharing that with apple accessibility. > After all, not only did I provide my apple id, but I shared the exact > Catalina edition I use..so no reason for misinformation. > While I have your ear, what steps must I go through for an apple > accessibility person's effort to see my screen actually work? > They claimed that when tried the system on their side said they could not > find my mac...go figure. TK: They should be able to connect to you either via a share screen request through iMessages, or they can send you a link that you can connect to through their support system. If by iMessage, you will need iMessage set up on your Mac with either or both of your Apple ID eMail or mobile phone number enabled as iMessage usable. > If there is an additional setting, I would appreciate knowing in case I have > another problem like yesterday. > Thanks, > Karen > > > > On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> This is being made more complex than it needs to be. >> >> • System volume is the level of everything. This is controlled either by >> the volume keys, F11 and F12 for down and up respectively, or you can use >> the VoiceOver command of VO-minus or VO-equals. Yes, there is control for >> this in the Sound pane, but that would make your life more complicated and >> there’s no need to go there. >> • the Apple Accessibility representative was mistaken for Catalina. This >> checkbox for the Startup Chime is not available in Catalina. It was >> introduced in Big Sur. >> • if you currently do not have the Startup Chime, then you’ll either need to >> turn up the system volume, which I’ve outlined above, use the Terminal >> command I outlined in an earlier post, or, in some cases, you can reset the >> PRAM and it will be heard. >> • to reset the PRAM, turn your Mac off, then wait a few seconds, turn it >> back on and immediately hold down cmd+option+r+p. Some finger gymnastics, >> but doable. >> >> As I mentioned from the beginning, the Startup Chime was initially a >> hardware change, so older Macs that originally had the Startup Chime should >> not have lost it in the first place. >> >> HTH. >> >> Later… >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Jamf Certified Tech >> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >> Apple Teacher >> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:08, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>> >>> If Apple accessibility is correct and it is considered to be a sound >>> effect, hopefully there will indeed be a volume for effects in general as >>> e. T. is suggesting. >>> will find out on Thursday. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: >>> >>>> Actually, with the startup sound, I don’t even know if you can change the >>>> volume. Maybe in terminal, but I don’t think I can even change the volume >>>> level of VO on the logon Screen that you get with File Valt and I don’t >>>> think I could last time I had it in recovery mode, though that was a while >>>> back so I could be wrong on that one. >>>> >>>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:21, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am not interested in doing this in the terminal, although I imagine >>>>> Johnathan's information will help someone. >>>>> Instead I am interested in where the settings for system volume are >>>>> located. >>>>> I intend on Thursday to have sighted help adjust this setting, I am not >>>>> solid enough in voiceover as of yet to do this, we are still optimizing >>>>> my computer for my use. >>>>> Karen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> You can use: >>>>>> >>>>>> sudo nvram StartupMute=%00 >>>>>> >>>>>> To enable the startup chime on a Mac where it has been muted. Remember >>>>>> that in Terminal, when you use the “sudo” command, you will be asked to >>>>>> enter your password if you’re an Admin of the computer. There will be >>>>>> no audio feedback when entering this password in Terminal like you would >>>>>> here in regular situations. If you’re not in an Admin account, you will >>>>>> not be able to use this command. >>>>>> >>>>>> HTH. >>>>>> >>>>>> Later… >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:24, Jonathan C. Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still enable it in the >>>>>>> terminal app with a command that examines and changes nvram settings >>>>>>> for the computer. I think it might have been Alex Hall that posted the >>>>>>> recipe to turn this on. Or perhaps a man --- c nvram will pull up the >>>>>>> sntax. My mac is a couple 100 miles away so can't be very specific. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally >>>>>>>> be set low as well. Are you saying that when you restart, or startup >>>>>>>> your computer from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net >>>>>>>>> <mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Tim, >>>>>>>>> My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big >>>>>>>>> shore, which may be why the sound is missing. >>>>>>>>> As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was >>>>>>>>> never a windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs. >>>>>>>>> What about turning up the sound if needful? >>>>>>>>> Kare >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac. >>>>>>>>>> That is, the startup chime should still work normally on that >>>>>>>>>> device without any intervention in System Preferences. I’m willing >>>>>>>>>> to be corrected, but I also believe that the checkbox that they’re >>>>>>>>>> speaking of was not present in Catalina, only Big Sur and newer. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a >>>>>>>>>> chime that is sounded as part of the boot process. In older Macs, >>>>>>>>>> before it was removed, it doubled as kind of a system check. If you >>>>>>>>>> heard that noise, then the hardware was OK, and it should proceed to >>>>>>>>>> bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a problem. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> HTH. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>>>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> hi everyone, >>>>>>>>>>> I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 >>>>>>>>>>> Catalina. >>>>>>>>>>> I recall the discussion about the apple start up sound being >>>>>>>>>>> removed, was told by apple accessibility that this is corrected by >>>>>>>>>>> accessing system preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure >>>>>>>>>>> there is a checkbox beside start up sound. >>>>>>>>>>> What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound >>>>>>>>>>> volume is turned up, something I want to know just in case. >>>>>>>>>>> Also, if the start up sound is provided, does it also happen when >>>>>>>>>>> awakening the mac, opening the lid? >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>>>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>>>>>>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the >>>>>>>>>> list itself. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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