hi Tim,
One of your answers sort of illustrates how off the mark Apple
accessibility was then.
they did not reference a need to connect, simply tried, and failed, given
the steps were missing its no wonder.
we did adjust the basic system audio, finding no startup sound checkbox
either.
Still knowing about f11 and f12 helps allot, so thanks for that as well.
I have decided to seek an apple store in person because I am truly hoping
there is some way to curb how this machine's touch bar...which I
absolutely hate, react, lower the level of sensitivity.
My sleeves set the thing off, and it impacts what is happening, with my
being too new at things to get out of what happens.
If not I will need to use an external keyboard, something keeps triggering
a request for me to provide my administrative password, with my not
managing to find the old school apple tutorial under voiceover utilities
either.
its frustrating getting locked into say a folder in a utility, following
the steps I believe I am hearing, for nothing to work.
On the other hand it was cool hearing my battery level by using vo-m and
working my way across.
No idea why I believed the Music app came with big shore, its a part of
Catalina too.
Anyway we forge forward.
kare
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
See my responses below in your text.
Later???
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 8, 2022, at 17:48, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
Hi,
Not necessarily, at least for my combination of experiences.
If I do, as I plan tomorrow, check the sound effects sub-menu and a means of
setting sound as you wisely share here, I get to establish a baseline of sound
that from an auditory processing standpoint insures I can say hear past the
tinnitus I have in one ear. I already know my associate states the volume is
low.
From what you provide here f-11 and f-12 will adjust the system volume allowing
me to make changes, when wearing headphones, or using a speaker, or any
number of situations.
Still, and I am happy to be corrected if wrong, would not the sound return to
the level of the computer once shut down, meaning it would not absolutely
recall where I left the f-11 f-12 setting?
TK: The level of volume that was set before restart or shutdown is normally
the level that it will return to upon startup the next time.
again happy to be wrong, but for me personally, better to have a sound baseline
I can adjust then hear nothing by mistake.
Will report on the startup checkbox, if my time tomorrow supports your wisdom,
I will be sharing that with apple accessibility.
After all, not only did I provide my apple id, but I shared the exact Catalina
edition I use..so no reason for misinformation.
While I have your ear, what steps must I go through for an apple accessibility
person's effort to see my screen actually work?
They claimed that when tried the system on their side said they could not find
my mac...go figure.
TK: They should be able to connect to you either via a share screen request
through iMessages, or they can send you a link that you can connect to through
their support system. If by iMessage, you will need iMessage set up on your
Mac with either or both of your Apple ID eMail or mobile phone number enabled
as iMessage usable.
If there is an additional setting, I would appreciate knowing in case I have
another problem like yesterday.
Thanks,
Karen
On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi,
This is being made more complex than it needs to be.
??? System volume is the level of everything. This is controlled either by the
volume keys, F11 and F12 for down and up respectively, or you can use the
VoiceOver command of VO-minus or VO-equals. Yes, there is control for this in
the Sound pane, but that would make your life more complicated and there???s no
need to go there.
??? the Apple Accessibility representative was mistaken for Catalina. This
checkbox for the Startup Chime is not available in Catalina. It was introduced
in Big Sur.
??? if you currently do not have the Startup Chime, then you???ll either need
to turn up the system volume, which I???ve outlined above, use the Terminal
command I outlined in an earlier post, or, in some cases, you can reset the
PRAM and it will be heard.
??? to reset the PRAM, turn your Mac off, then wait a few seconds, turn it back
on and immediately hold down cmd+option+r+p. Some finger gymnastics, but
doable.
As I mentioned from the beginning, the Startup Chime was initially a hardware
change, so older Macs that originally had the Startup Chime should not have
lost it in the first place.
HTH.
Later???
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:08, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
If Apple accessibility is correct and it is considered to be a sound effect,
hopefully there will indeed be a volume for effects in general as e. T. is
suggesting.
will find out on Thursday.
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
Actually, with the startup sound, I don???t even know if you can change the
volume. Maybe in terminal, but I don???t think I can even change the volume
level of VO on the logon Screen that you get with File Valt and I don???t think
I could last time I had it in recovery mode, though that was a while back so I
could be wrong on that one.
On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:21, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
I am not interested in doing this in the terminal, although I imagine
Johnathan's information will help someone.
Instead I am interested in where the settings for system volume are located.
I intend on Thursday to have sighted help adjust this setting, I am not solid
enough in voiceover as of yet to do this, we are still optimizing my computer
for my use.
Karen
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi,
You can use:
sudo nvram StartupMute=%00
To enable the startup chime on a Mac where it has been muted. Remember that in
Terminal, when you use the ???sudo??? command, you will be asked to enter your
password if you???re an Admin of the computer. There will be no audio feedback
when entering this password in Terminal like you would here in regular
situations. If you???re not in an Admin account, you will not be able to use
this command.
HTH.
Later???
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:24, Jonathan C. Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still enable it in the
terminal app with a command that examines and changes nvram settings for the
computer. I think it might have been Alex Hall that posted the recipe to turn
this on. Or perhaps a man --- c nvram will pull up the sntax. My mac is a
couple 100 miles away so can't be very specific.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
???Hi,
If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set
low as well. Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer
from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?
Later???
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net
<mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:
Hi Tim,
My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, which
may be why the sound is missing.
As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a
windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
What about turning up the sound if needful?
Kare
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi,
The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac. That is,
the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any
intervention in System Preferences. I???m willing to be corrected, but I also
believe that the checkbox that they???re speaking of was not present in
Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that is
sounded as part of the boot process. In older Macs, before it was removed, it
doubled as kind of a system check. If you heard that noise, then the hardware
was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a
problem.
HTH.
Later???
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net
<mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:
hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 Catalina.
I recall the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was told
by apple accessibility that this is corrected by accessing system preferences,
sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox beside start up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume is
turned up, something I want to know just in case.
Also, if the start up sound is provided, does it also happen when awakening
the mac, opening the lid?
Thanks,
Karen
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