hi Tim,
One of your answers sort of illustrates how off the mark Apple
accessibility was then.
they did not reference a need to connect, simply tried, and failed,
given
the steps were missing its no wonder.
we did adjust the basic system audio, finding no startup sound
checkbox
either.
Still knowing about f11 and f12 helps allot, so thanks for that as
well.
I have decided to seek an apple store in person because I am truly
hoping there is some way to curb how this machine's touch bar...which I
absolutely hate, react, lower the level of sensitivity.
My sleeves set the thing off, and it impacts what is happening, with my
being too new at things to get out of what happens. If not I will
need to
use an external keyboard, something keeps triggering a request for
me to
provide my administrative password, with my not managing to find the
old school apple tutorial under voiceover utilities either.
its frustrating getting locked into say a folder in a utility,
following the steps I believe I am hearing, for nothing to work.
On the other hand it was cool hearing my battery level by using vo-m
and
working my way across.
No idea why I believed the Music app came with big shore, its a part of
Catalina too.
Anyway we forge forward.
kare
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> See my responses below in your text.
> > Later…
> > > Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > On Jun 8, 2022, at 17:48, Karen Lewellen
<[email protected]> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > Not necessarily, at least for my combination of experiences.
> > If I do, as I plan tomorrow, check the sound effects sub-menu
and a > > means of setting sound as you wisely share here, I get to
establish > > a baseline of sound that from an auditory processing
standpoint > > insures I can say hear past the tinnitus I have in
one ear. I > > already know my associate states the volume is low.
> > From what you provide here f-11 and f-12 will adjust the system
volume > > allowing me to make changes, when wearing headphones,
or using a > > speaker, or any number of situations.
> > Still, and I am happy to be corrected if wrong, would not the
sound > > return to the level of the computer once shut down,
meaning it > > would not absolutely recall where I left the f-11
f-12 setting?
> > TK: The level of volume that was set before restart or shutdown
is > normally the level that it will return to upon startup the next
time.
> > > again happy to be wrong, but for me personally, better to have
a sound > > baseline I can adjust then hear nothing by mistake.
> > Will report on the startup checkbox, if my time tomorrow
supports your > > wisdom, I will be sharing that with apple
accessibility.
> > After all, not only did I provide my apple id, but I shared the
exact > > Catalina edition I use..so no reason for misinformation.
> > While I have your ear, what steps must I go through for an apple
> > accessibility person's effort to see my screen actually work?
> > They claimed that when tried the system on their side said they
could > > not find my mac...go figure.
> > TK: They should be able to connect to you either via a share
screen > request through iMessages, or they can send you a link that
you can > connect to through their support system. If by iMessage,
you will need > iMessage set up on your Mac with either or both of
your Apple ID eMail > or mobile phone number enabled as iMessage
usable.
> > > If there is an additional setting, I would appreciate knowing
in case > > I have another problem like yesterday.
> > Thanks,
> > Karen
> > > > > > > > On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > This is being made more complex than it needs to be.
> > > > > > • System volume is the level of everything. This is
controlled > > > either by the volume keys, F11 and F12 for down and
up respectively, > > > or you can use the VoiceOver command of
VO-minus or VO-equals. > > > Yes, there is control for this in the
Sound pane, but that would > > > make your life more complicated and
there’s no need to go there.
> > > • the Apple Accessibility representative was mistaken for > >
> Catalina. This checkbox for the Startup Chime is not available in
> > > Catalina. It was introduced in Big Sur.
> > > • if you currently do not have the Startup Chime, then you’ll
> > > either need to turn up the system volume, which I’ve outlined
> > > above, use the Terminal command I outlined in an earlier post,
or, > > > in some cases, you can reset the PRAM and it will be heard.
> > > • to reset the PRAM, turn your Mac off, then wait a few
seconds, > > > turn it back on and immediately hold down
cmd+option+r+p. Some > > > finger gymnastics, but doable.
> > > > > > As I mentioned from the beginning, the Startup Chime was
initially a > > > hardware change, so older Macs that originally had
the Startup Chime > > > should not have lost it in the first place.
> > > > > > HTH.
> > > > > > Later…
> > > > > > Tim Kilburn
> > > Jamf Certified Tech
> > > Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > > Apple Teacher
> > > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > > > > > On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:08, Karen Lewellen > > > >
<[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > If Apple accessibility is correct and it is
considered to be a > > > > sound effect, hopefully there will
indeed be a volume for > > > > effects in general as e. T. is
suggesting.
> > > > will find out on Thursday.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Actually, with the startup sound, I don’t even
know if you can > > > > > change the volume. Maybe in terminal, but
I don’t think I can > > > > > even change the volume level of VO on
the logon Screen that you > > > > > get with File Valt and I don’t
think I could last time I had > > > > > it in recovery mode, though
that was a while back so I could be > > > > > wrong on that one.
> > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:21, Karen Lewellen > > >
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > I am not interested in doing this in the
terminal, although I > > > > > > imagine Johnathan's information
will help someone.
> > > > > > Instead I am interested in where the settings for system
> > > > > > volume are located.
> > > > > > I intend on Thursday to have sighted help adjust this
setting, > > > > > > I am not solid enough in voiceover as of yet to
do this, we > > > > > > are still optimizing my computer for my use.
> > > > > > Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 7 Jun 2022,
'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can use:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sudo nvram StartupMute=%00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To enable the startup chime on a Mac
where it has been > > > > > > > muted. Remember that in Terminal,
when you use the > > > > > > > “sudo” command, you will be asked to
enter your password > > > > > > > if you’re an Admin of the
computer. There will be no > > > > > > > audio feedback when
entering this password in Terminal like > > > > > > > you would here
in regular situations. If you’re not in an > > > > > > > Admin
account, you will not be able to use this command.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > HTH.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Later…
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim Kilburn
> > > > > > > Jamf Certified Tech
> > > > > > > Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > > > > > > Apple Teacher
> > > > > > > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > > > > > > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:24, Jonathan C.
Cohn > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On mac's that do not have startup
chime, you can still > > > > > > > > enable it in the terminal app
with a command that examines > > > > > > > > and changes nvram
settings for the computer. I think it > > > > > > > > might have
been Alex Hall that posted the recipe to turn > > > > > > > > this
on. Or perhaps a man --- c nvram will pull up the > > > > > > > >
sntax. My mac is a couple 100 miles away so can't be very > > > > > >
> > specific.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim
Kilburn' via > > > > > > > > > MacVisionaries
<[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If your volume is set low, then,
yes, the startup chime > > > > > > > > > will normally be set low as
well. Are you saying that > > > > > > > > > when you restart, or
startup your computer from scratch, > > > > > > > > > you do not
hear any startup chime?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Later…
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim Kilburn
> > > > > > > > > Jamf Certified Tech
> > > > > > > > > Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > > > > > > > > Apple Teacher
> > > > > > > > > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > > > > > > > > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51,
Karen Lewellen > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected] > > > >
> > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tim,
> > > > > > > > > > My understanding is that this is the very last
Mac os > > > > > > > > > > before big shore, which may be why the
sound is > > > > > > > > > > missing.
> > > > > > > > > > As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to
insure I > > > > > > > > > > have it, was never a windows user so
all this boot > > > > > > > > > > time makes me crazy laughs.
> > > > > > > > > > What about turning up the sound if needful?
> > > > > > > > > > Kare
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The startup chime was a
computer specific item in > > > > > > > > > > > that model of Mac.
That is, the startup chime > > > > > > > > > > > should still work
normally on that device without > > > > > > > > > > > any
intervention in System Preferences. I’m > > > > > > > > > > >
willing to be corrected, but I also believe that the > > > > > > > >
> > > checkbox that they’re speaking of was not present > > > > > >
> > > > > in Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it will not make
that sound upon opening the lid > > > > > > > > > > > as it is a
chime that is sounded as part of the boot > > > > > > > > > > >
process. In older Macs, before it was removed, it > > > > > > > > >
> > doubled as kind of a system check. If you heard > > > > > > > >
> > > that noise, then the hardware was OK, and it should > > > > >
> > > > > > proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was > >
> > > > > > > > > a problem.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HTH.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Later…
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Tim Kilburn
> > > > > > > > > > > Jamf Certified Tech
> > > > > > > > > > > Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > > > > > > > > > > Apple Teacher
> > > > > > > > > > > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > > > > > > > > > > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 7, 2022, at
15:35, Karen Lewellen > > > > > > > > > > > >
<[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > >
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi everyone,
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina
now > > > > > > > > > > > > running os 10.15.7 Catalina.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I recall the discussion about the apple
start up > > > > > > > > > > > > sound being removed, was told by
apple > > > > > > > > > > > > accessibility that this is corrected
by > > > > > > > > > > > > accessing system preferences, sound,
sound > > > > > > > > > > > > effects, and making sure there is a
checkbox > > > > > > > > > > > > beside start up sound.
> > > > > > > > > > > > What I do not recall though is how one
insures the > > > > > > > > > > > > start up sound volume is turned
up, something I > > > > > > > > > > > > want to know just in case.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Also, if the start up sound is provided,
does it > > > > > > > > > > > > also happen when awakening the mac,
opening the > > > > > > > > > > > > lid?
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Karen
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