Yes, it’s just as a friend of mine said you almost need to be an octopus to interact with things you interact the things you have to hit so many key strokes. I’m not against the concept of the interacting. It’s just the way that it’s implemented and that everything is interrupting MBS if you had to enjoy hit old town arrow and everything like like a combo box I get it that’s like they’re kinda. I guess it’s kind of like their equipment of forms mode so like for tables lists certain things that you might just wanna skim through and then even bother with you not interested I can understand it. I understand why, but Apple does too little too much right now for me. The fitness frustrating me, and as much as I would like to trade in my MacBook Air for the pro or and what made me also say oh gosh and this is how I want to blow 2000 for a max studio is that is the freezing the probability the functionality of voiceover macOS never mind interacting and you can’t just hit shift at six and F6. That’s just me coming from 20+ years from windows and so you know and it just feels like oh really I had to hit the control Windows spaced just dude let me hit enter or just space on its own. It’s just a different dynamic that one has to get used to frustrating me is more those actual functionality things voiceover, freezes voiceover menu disappear and in Safari you can’t command enter to open the page in new tab you can’t shift enter to open a new window like you can with chrome and then chrome has its own issues but yes, it’s more and accessibility that they be lagging too. I don’t know if voiceover were more like it is on the iPhone even the categories. I don’t know how you switched between the categories and Mail and Mac if it is as easy to use I don’t use the back for Mail for easy phone then yeah so you would do is shift tab now you’re back in the categories primary transactions updates promotions and I forget the last one shift tab again that you’re in your inbox you know like Thunderbird, which is again very much bar fox and but yeah, those are. The things are frustrating me with it and invoice itself feel a bit like NVDA once you get over the whole interacting and they have to hit too many keys to do certain things.
On Mon, Jun 15, 2026 at 1:15 AM Krishnakant Mane <[email protected]> wrote: > Why Windows, even Orca on Ubuntu does all this stuff and really, for those > who have such complex requirements, I agree Mac is a no starter. > For a person like me who is an entrepreneur needing performance, travel > work comfort and durable hardware quality, Mac does fine, not excellent > mind blowing but good enough. And yes for a few really amazing stuff like > security which is by the way much better than windows and the sheer > performance during multiple tasking and smoothness in performance a MacBook > is lite years ahead of Windows and Linux. It is ironically accessibility > which lags behind as compared to other OSs. > Regards. > > > On 13 Jun 2026, at 2:22 AM, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Well, you can use Firefox on Windows hit F9 and there go the ads. Works > pretty well. And I can use complicated PDFs there, something I cannot do on > a Mac. I wish I could. I want desperately to dump windows. I need to buy a > new PC. But if I can’t use complicated PDFs and navigate them, the Mac is a > no starter. So I guess it’s all about what you need access to maybe. > > Mary > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jun 12, 2026, at 1:45 PM, Herbie Allen <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> Hmm, the ability to use a Mac Browser that has reader mode vs trying > the same site on a Windows and having to go through adds. Yeah, I think the > Mac still wins on accessibility. > >> > >>> On Jun 12, 2026, at 12:32, 'Andrew' via MacVisionaries < > [email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> The fundamental question is though whether we should have to find work > arounds a problem Accessibility at Apple has created? When I open a > browser on Windows, I have no such issues, whereas I increasingly have > issues on my mac? At which point do I say enough is enough! > >>> > >>>>> On 12 Jun 2026, at 16:05, Herbie Allen <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> When you get the image thing, simply Toggle Reader mode on and off > with Command Shift R. > >>>> > >>>>> On Jun 12, 2026, at 08:03, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries < > [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> On my PC, if I click on a link, Chrome opens to the page in > question, not the toolbar. I could probably live with the toolbar behavior > if it weren’t combined with the Image thing. > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> Donna > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Jun 12, 2026, at 9:57 AM, 'Jason J.G. 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